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Closed 10 years ago

# Calculus constructions mix explicit calls to maxima

Reported by: Owned by: robertwb mvngu major sage-4.4.2 documentation sage-4.4.2.rc0 Karl-Dieter Crisman David Joyner N/A

### comment:1 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

From an email [sage-support] error in documentation "Construction" on 2010-01-15:

Hi everyone,

I just checked out one of  first page in the "Constructions" page:

http://www.sagemath.org.nyud.net/doc/constructions/calculus.html

Just after the first example "Differentiation"

sage: var('x k w')
(x, k, w)
sage: f = x^3 * e^(k*x) * sin(w*x); f
x^3*e^(k*x)*sin(w*x)
sage: f.diff(x)
k*x^3*e^(k*x)*sin(w*x) + w*x^3*e^(k*x)*cos(w*x) + 3*x^2*e^(k*x)*sin
(w*x)
sage: latex(f.diff(x))
k x^{3} e^{\left(k x\right)} \sin\left(w x\right) + w x^{3} e^{\left(k
x\right)} \cos\left(w x\right) + 3 \, x^{2} e^{\left(k x\right)} \sin
\left(w x\right)

there is

"If you type view(f.diff('x')) another... "

When I do that, I get a long error message, which could frighten off
(it is the first example...). With "view(f.diff(x))" it works.
However, if the function is defined via

f = maxima(....)

then both ways work:   view(f.diff('x')),  view(f.diff(x))

I don't know if this is intended, but at least on the website it
should be changed, not to get the error.

Greets,
Stefan


### Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

apply to sage-main; based on Sage 4.3.1.alpha2

### Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

apply to examples/ repository; based on Sage 4.3.1.alpha2

### comment:2 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

• Authors set to Minh Van Nguyen
• Status changed from new to needs_review

Here are two patches, which should fix errors in the calculus chapter of the Constructions document. Apply the patch trac_7936-constructions.patch to the repository sage-main. The second patch applies to the examples/ directory, which is separate from sage-main. But before applying the second patch, the release manager needs to remove a junk file:

[mvngu@boxen examples]$pwd /dev/shm/mvngu/sage-4.3.1.alpha2-7936-maxima/examples [mvngu@boxen examples]$ hg st
? .hgtags.orig
[mvngu@boxen examples]$rm .hgtags.orig [mvngu@boxen examples]$ hg st


### comment:3 Changed 10 years ago by robertwb

It would be really nice if that whole constructions page could be written without any explicit calls to maxima at all--not sure how much of that is possible, but for derivatives, integrals, and power series it certainly is.

Also, nearly every example involves Piecewise, which doesn't play nicely with all the symbolic stuff (nor does it make for concise examples).

### comment:4 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

The constructions document is quasi-deprecated in any case, as it dates from over two years ago, I believe. wdj wanted to make a new 'cookbook' document which replaced it, but no one has had time to do so. Of course, if the whole constructions document were updated, that would be great! I agree that if one is serious about that, though, one would have to remove Piecewise stuff, as at the time that was one of the better-implemented function types but now is waiting on someone to add them to Pynac.

### comment:5 follow-up: ↓ 6 Changed 10 years ago by was

The constructions document is quasi-deprecated in any case, as it dates from over two years ago,

Two years? It from at least *four* years ago! It was mostly written around the time of Sage 1.0, or earlier. It needs a total rewrite. When it was written, explicit calls to maxima were the only way to do any calculus.

### comment:6 in reply to: ↑ 5 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

• Status changed from needs_review to needs_work

The constructions document is quasi-deprecated in any case, as it dates from over two years ago,

Two years? It from at least *four* years ago! It was mostly written around the time of Sage 1.0, or earlier. It needs a total rewrite. When it was written, explicit calls to maxima were the only way to do any calculus.

Like I said, over two years ago :)

### comment:7 follow-up: ↓ 8 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

Is this fixed by #8132?

### comment:8 in reply to: ↑ 7 ; follow-up: ↓ 9 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

• Status changed from needs_work to needs_info

Is this fixed by #8132?

No, unfortunately, I don't think so.

I give a positive review to the first patch. I don't understand the second patch. I'm giving the first a positive review though. Fell free to reverse my vote back to needs review, but I'm marking it for now as needs info. The instructions for patch 2 are just completely unclear to me.

### comment:9 in reply to: ↑ 8 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

I give a positive review to the first patch.

I think the attachment trac_7936-constructions.patch is now superseded by #8132. No need to use that patch anymore.

I don't understand the second patch. The instructions for patch 2 are just completely unclear to me.

Without the attachment trac_7936-desolvers.patch applied to the repository examples/calculus, I get an error when loading the file desolvers.sage:

[mvngu@mod calculus]$pwd /dev/shm/mvngu/sage-4.3.2.alpha1-sage.math/examples/calculus [mvngu@mod calculus]$ ls
desolvers.py    eulers_method.sage  newton_raphson.sage
[mvngu@mod calculus]$../../sage ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Sage Version 4.3.2.alpha1, Release Date: 2010-01-31 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************************** * * * Warning: this is a prerelease version, and it may be unstable. * * * ********************************************************************** sage: load "desolvers.sage" ------------------------------------------------------------ File "<string>", line 147 #maxima.eval(cmd) ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax  Now apply the patch trac_7936-desolvers.patch to the repository examples/calculus to resolve this syntax error: [mvngu@mod calculus]$ hg qimport http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7936/trac_7936-desolvers.patch && hg qpush
applying trac_7936-desolvers.patch
now at: trac_7936-desolvers.patch
[mvngu@mod calculus]\$ ../../sage
----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Sage Version 4.3.2.alpha1, Release Date: 2010-01-31                |
| Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.        |
----------------------------------------------------------------------
**********************************************************************
*                                                                    *
* Warning: this is a prerelease version, and it may be unstable.     *
*                                                                    *
**********************************************************************
sage: des=["'diff(x(t),t)=-4*y(t)","'diff(y(t),t)=-x(t)"]
sage: vars = ["t","x","y"]
sage: desolve_system(des,vars)
[x(t)=(2*y(0)+x(0))*%e^-(2*t)/2-(2*y(0)-x(0))*%e^(2*t)/2,y(t)=(2*y(0)-x(0))*%e^(2*t)/4+(2*y(0)+x(0))*%e^-(2*t)/4]


### comment:10 follow-up: ↓ 11 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

Thanks for explaining that about the second patch.

desolvers.sage can be removed now since Robert Marik has kindly implemented everything in it in sage already.

Can you just delete the file, Minh?

### comment:11 in reply to: ↑ 10 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

Thanks for explaining that about the second patch.

desolvers.sage can be removed now since Robert Marik has kindly implemented everything in it in sage already.

Can you just delete the file, Minh?

I just want to point out also that William is probably going to get rid of the examples directory in the near future - as usual, I do not have the URL for that discussion :) so the sooner we explicitly know it's not necessary, the better.

### comment:12 follow-up: ↓ 13 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

I can verify that desolvers.sage and euler_method.sage from this directory are completely taken care of by the changes of Robert, and some of field_plot2d.sage is also now in the plot/plot_field.py file (maybe not all of it, but maybe not all is needed?). I think the stuff in newton_raphson.sage probably should be jettisoned or somehow put in one of the sage/calculus files.

wdj, what do you think? Probably we can just about delete that whole directory. What do you think is worth putting into the main Sage library?

### comment:13 in reply to: ↑ 12 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

I can verify that desolvers.sage and euler_method.sage from this directory are completely taken care of by the changes of Robert, and some of field_plot2d.sage is also now in the plot/plot_field.py file (maybe not all of it, but maybe not all is needed?). I think the stuff in newton_raphson.sage probably should be jettisoned or somehow put in one of the sage/calculus files.

wdj, what do you think? Probably we can just about delete that whole directory. What do you think is worth putting into the main Sage library?

Agreed. delete it. newton_raphson is so simple, it is easy to just post to the wiki or something anyway. Thanks for looking at this!

### comment:14 follow-up: ↓ 17 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

• Authors changed from Minh Van Nguyen to Minh Van Nguyen, Karl-Dieter Crisman
• Reviewers set to David Joyner
• Status changed from needs_info to needs_review

Okay, this patch, applied to the examples/ repository, should take of this. Needs review. wdj, why don't you go ahead and look at the newton-raphson examples on the interact part of the Wiki and see if that essentially has that, otherwise can you think of an appropriate place to store it?

Also see #7494 on removing all of this examples/ directory.

### comment:15 follow-up: ↓ 16 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

Do I only need to apply trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch?

### comment:16 in reply to: ↑ 15 ; follow-up: ↓ 18 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

Do I only need to apply trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch?

I think so. Someone should check the interact wiki and make sure that the essence of the Newton-Raphson example is captured in the interacts already there which are about that. Recall that this needs review, though, so you (or someone) would need to formally give this positive review at least.

### comment:17 in reply to: ↑ 14 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

Okay, this patch, applied to the examples/ repository, should take of this. Needs review. wdj, why don't you go ahead and look at the newton-raphson examples on the interact part of the Wiki and see if that essentially has that, otherwise can you think of an appropriate place to store it?

Looks good to me. I also copied the file to http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/wdj/sagefiles/

Also see #7494 on removing all of this examples/ directory.

### comment:18 in reply to: ↑ 16 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

• Status changed from needs_review to needs_info

Do I only need to apply trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch?

I think so. Someone should check the interact wiki and make sure that the essence of the Newton-Raphson example is captured in the interacts already there which are about that. Recall that this needs review, though, so you (or someone) would need to formally give this positive review at least.

This patch does not apply to 4.4.2.a0 for me. Does anyone else have this problem?

### comment:19 follow-up: ↓ 20 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

• Status changed from needs_info to needs_review

You have to apply it "manually" (using ./sage -hg, unfortunately) to the examples/ directory. There is no hg_examples :(

### comment:20 in reply to: ↑ 19 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

You have to apply it "manually" (using ./sage -hg, unfortunately) to the examples/ directory. There is no hg_examples :(

Can you tell me exactly the command to use to apply the patch Please?

sage -hg ????

### comment:21 follow-up: ↓ 22 Changed 10 years ago by kcrisman

I'll use ... to indicate the rest of the path until the Sage folder.

cd .../sage-4.4.1/examples/
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg log | less  # gives you the log, which is very boring :)
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg import http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7936/trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg log | less  # gives you the log, which should now indicate the patch was applied.


And if you go in ./sage/examples/calculus/ now, it should be empty. The release manager would have to remove the empty folder by hand, I think.

I agree that it is very annoying that one has to do this without hg_sage - it took me a long time to figure out how to do it - but eventually the examples directory will cease to exist and so that won't be a problem. This is just a first step.

### comment:22 in reply to: ↑ 21 Changed 10 years ago by wdj

• Status changed from needs_review to positive_review

I'll use ... to indicate the rest of the path until the Sage folder.

cd .../sage-4.4.1/examples/
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg log | less  # gives you the log, which is very boring :)
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg import http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/raw-attachment/ticket/7936/trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch
~/.../sage-4.4.1/sage -hg log | less  # gives you the log, which should now indicate the patch was applied.


And if you go in ./sage/examples/calculus/ now, it should be empty. The release manager would have to remove the empty folder by hand, I think.

I agree that it is very annoying that one has to do this without hg_sage - it took me a long time to figure out how to do it - but eventually the examples directory will cease to exist and so that won't be a problem. This is just a first step.

Thanks very much!

This applies fine to 4.4.2.a0 and sage -testall passes (except for unrelated failures in interfaces/r.py and misc/sagedoc.py).

### comment:23 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

• Authors changed from Minh Van Nguyen, Karl-Dieter Crisman to Karl-Dieter Crisman

### comment:24 Changed 10 years ago by mvngu

• Merged in set to sage-4.4.2.rc0
• Resolution set to fixed
• Status changed from positive_review to closed

Merged trac_7936-no-calc-examples.patch in examples repository.

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