#715 closed defect (fixed)
Parents probably not reclaimed due to too much caching
Reported by:  robertwb  Owned by:  somebody 

Priority:  major  Milestone:  sage5.5 
Component:  coercion  Keywords:  weak cache coercion Cernay2012 
Cc:  jpflori, zimmerma, vbraun, robertwb, nbruin, malb, mjo  Merged in:  sage5.5.beta0 
Authors:  Simon King, JeanPierre Flori  Reviewers:  JeanPierre Flori, Simon King, Nils Bruin 
Report Upstream:  N/A  Work issues:  
Branch:  Commit:  
Dependencies:  #13145, #13741, #13746, to be merged with #11521  Stopgaps: 
Description (last modified by )
Here is a small example illustrating the issue.
The memory footprint of the following piece of code grows indefinitely.
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: a = K.random_element() sage: while 1: ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a); P = E.random_point(); 2*P; del E, P;
E and P get deleted, but when 2*P is computed, the action of integers on A, the abelian group of rational points of the ellitpic curve, gets cached in the corecion model.
A keyvalue pair is left in coercion_model._action_maps dict:
(ZZ,A,*) : IntegerMulAction?
Moreover there is at least also references to A in the IntegerMulAction? and one in ZZ._action_hash.
So weak refs should be used in all these places if it does not slow things too much.
To be merged with #11521. Apply:
and then the patches from #11521.
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comment:1 Changed 15 years ago by
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comment:2 Changed 14 years ago by
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comment:3 Changed 14 years ago by
comment:4 Changed 14 years ago by
The coercion model needs to use weakrefs so that parents aren't needlessly referenced when they're discarded. It is nontrivial to see where the weakrefs need to go, and how to do so without slowing the code down.
The ticket is still valid.
comment:5 Changed 11 years ago by
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comment:6 Changed 11 years ago by
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comment:7 Changed 11 years ago by
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With the piece of code in the desrciption, there is only one reference to these objects in that ZZ._hash_actions dictionary because to build it we test if A1 == A2 and not A1 is A2 as in coercion_model._action_maps, and because of the current implementation of ellitpic curves, see http://groups.google.com/group/sagent/browse_thread/thread/ec8d0ad14a819082 and #11474, and decause the above code use only one jinvariant, only ones gets finally stored.
However with random curves, I guess there would be all of them.
About the weakref, the idea should more be to build something like WeakKeyDictionnary? if it does not slow down coercion too much...
comment:8 Changed 11 years ago by
The following example also exhibits a suspicious, steady growth in memory use. The only reason I can think of why that would happen is that references to the created finite field remain lying around somewhere, preventing deallocation:
sage: L=prime_range(10^8) sage: for p in L: k=GF(p)
If you change it to the creation of a polynomial ring the memory use rises much faster:
sage: L=prime_range(10^8) sage: for p in L: k=GF(p)['t']
Are "unique" parents simply *never* deallocated?
comment:9 Changed 11 years ago by
Be aware that polynomial rings are also cached because of uniqueness of parents, explaining somehow your second memory consumption; see #5970 for example.
For finite fields I did not check.
comment:10 Changed 11 years ago by
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comment:11 Changed 11 years ago by
See #11521 for some concrete instances of this problem and some advice to investigate it.
comment:12 Changed 10 years ago by
In my code for the computation Ext algebras of basic algebras, I use letterplace algebras (see #7797), and they involve the creation of many polynomial rings. Only one of them is used at a time, so, the others could be garbage collected. But they aren't, and I suspect this is because of using strong references in the coercion cache.
See the following example (using #7797)
sage: F.<a,b,c> = FreeAlgebra(GF(4,'z'), implementation='letterplace') sage: import gc sage: len(gc.get_objects()) 170947 sage: a*b*c*b*c*a*b*c a*b*c*b*c*a*b*c sage: len(gc.get_objects()) 171556 sage: del F,a,b,c sage: gc.collect() 81 sage: len(gc.get_objects()) 171448 sage: cm = sage.structure.element.get_coercion_model() sage: cm.reset_cache() sage: gc.collect() 273 sage: len(gc.get_objects()) 171108
That is certainly not a proof of my claim, but it indicates that it might be worth while to investigate.
In order to facilitate work, I am providing some other tickets that may be related to this:
I guess that one should use a similar cache model to what I did in #11521: The key for the cache should not just be (domain,codomain)
, because we want that garbage collection of the cache item is already allowed if just one of domain or codomain is collectable.
comment:13 Changed 10 years ago by
I try to wrap my mind around weak references. I found that when creating a weak reference, one can also provide a method that is called when the weak reference becomes invalid. I propose to use such method to erase the deleted object from the cache, regardless whether it appears as domain or codomain.
Here is a proof of concept:
sage: ref = weakref.ref sage: D = {} sage: def remove(x): ....: for a,b,c in D.keys(): ....: if a is x or b is x or c is x: ....: D.__delitem__((a,b,c)) ....: sage: class A: ....: def __init__(self,x): ....: self.x = x ....: def __repr__(self): ....: return str(self.x) ....: def __del__(self): ....: print "deleting",self.x ....: sage: a = A(5) sage: b = A(6) sage: r = ref(a,remove) sage: s = ref(b,remove) sage: D[r,r,s] = 1 sage: D[s,r,s] = 2 sage: D[s,s,s] = 3 sage: D[s,s,1] = 4 sage: D[r,s,1] = 5 sage: D.values() [5, 3, 1, 4, 2] sage: del a deleting 5 sage: D.values() [4, 3] sage: del b deleting 6 sage: D.values() []
comment:14 Changed 10 years ago by
It turns out that using weak references in the coercion cache will not be enough. Apparently there are other direct references that have to be dealt with.
comment:15 Changed 10 years ago by
I wonder whether the problem has already been solved. I just tested the example from the ticket description, and get (at least with #11900, #11521 and #11115):
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: a = K.random_element() sage: m0 = get_memory_usage() sage: for i in range(1000): ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a); P = E.random_point(); PP = 2*P ....: sage: get_memory_usage()  m0 15.22265625
I think that this is not particularly scary. I'll repeat the test with vanilla sage4.8.alpha3, but this will take a while to rebuild.
comment:16 Changed 10 years ago by
No, even in vanilla sage4.8.alpha3 I don't find a scary memory leak in this example.
Do we have a better example? One could, of course, argue that one should use weak references for caching even if we do not find an apparent memory leak. I am preparing a patch for it now.
comment:17 Changed 10 years ago by
 Cc vbraun added
Here is an experimental patch.
A new test shows that the weak caching actually works.
Note that the patch also introduces a weak cache for polynomial rings, which might be better to put into #5970. Well, we can sort things out later...
comment:18 Changed 10 years ago by
It needs work, though. Some tests in sage/structure fail, partially because of pickling, partially because some tests do not follow the new specification of TripleDict
(namely that the first two parts of each key triple and the associated value must be weak referenceable.
comment:19 Changed 10 years ago by
Now I wonder: Should I try to use weak references and make it accept stuff that does not allow for weak references?
In the intended applications, weak references are possible. But in some tests and in the pickle jar, the "wrong" type of keys (namely strings and ints) are used.
comment:20 Changed 10 years ago by
The only place where the weak references are created is in the set(...)
method of TripleDict
. I suggest to simply catch the error that may occur when creating a weak reference, and then use a different way of storing the key. I am now running tests, and I hope that this ticket will be "needs review" in a few hours.
comment:21 Changed 10 years ago by
 Keywords weak cache coercion added
 Status changed from new to needs_review
With the attached patch, all tests pass for me, and the new features are doctested. Needs review!
comment:22 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies set to #11900
comment:23 Changed 10 years ago by
I was able to apply this patch to vanilla 4.7.2. Should I continue reviewing it like this?
Paul
comment:24 Changed 10 years ago by
on top of vanilla 4.7.2 several doctests fail:
sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/calculus/interpolators.pyx # 0 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/databases/database.py # 15 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/finance/time_series.pyx # 0 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/graphs/graph_list.py # 4 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/graphs/graph_database.py # 28 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/graphs/graph.py # 6 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/graphs/generic_graph.py # 4 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/matrix/matrix2.pyx # 3 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/hecke/hecke_operator.py # 1 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/hecke/ambient_module.py # 2 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/modsym/subspace.py # 6 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/modsym/boundary.py # 3 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/modsym/space.py # 3 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/modsym/modsym.py # 1 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/modsym/ambient.py # 11 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/modular/abvar/abvar.py # 0 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/heegner.py # 9 doctests failed sage t 4.7linux64bitubuntu_10.04.1_ltsx86_64Linux/devel/sage715/sage/sandpiles/sandpile.py # Time out
Paul
comment:25 Changed 10 years ago by
I'll try again on top of vanilla sage4.8.alpha3. You are right, the patch does apply (almost) cleanly even without #11900. That surprises me, because at some point there was an inconsistency.
Hopefully I can see later today whether I get the same errors as you.
comment:26 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies #11900 deleted
It turns out that #11900 is indeed not needed.
I can not reproduce any of the errors you mention.
Moreover, the file "sage/devel/sage/databases/database.py", for which you reported an error, does not exist in vanilla sage (not in 4.7.2 and not in 4.8.alpha3).
Did you test other patches before returning to vanilla 4.7.2? Namely, when a patch changes a module from python to cython, and one wants to remove the patch, then it is often needed to also remove any reference to the cython module in build/sage/...
and in build/*/sage/...
. For example, when I had #11115 applied and want to remove it again, then I would do rm build/sage/misc/cachefunc.*
and rm build/*/sage/misc/cachefunc.*
.
comment:27 followup: ↓ 28 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:28 in reply to: ↑ 27 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to zimmerma:
yes I tried other patches (#10983, #8720, #10596) before #715, but each one with a different clone.
But where does the databases/database.py file come from?
And could you post one or two examples for the errors you are getting (i.e. not just which files are problematic, but what commands exactly fail)?
comment:29 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:30 Changed 10 years ago by
I have simplified the routine that removes cache items when a weak reference became invalid. The tests all pass for me.
Apply trac715_weak_coercion_cache.patch
comment:31 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies set to #9138, #11900
comment:32 Changed 10 years ago by
One question: Currently, my patch uses weak references only for the first two parts of the key. Should it also use weak references to the value, when possible?
By "when possible", I mean that not all values allow weak references  if it is possible then a weak reference is used, otherwise a strong reference is used. This might contribute to fixing the memory leak in #11521, but it might have a speed penalty.
Concerning #11521: The point is that an action (which currently does not allow weak references, but that might change) has a strong reference to the objects that are used for storing it in the cache. Hence, an action is not collectable with the current patch.
Thoughts?
comment:33 Changed 10 years ago by
I have slightly updated some of the new examples: In the old patch version, I had created TripleDict(10)
, but meanwhile I learnt that the given parameter should better be odd (actually a prime). So, in the new patch version, it is TripleDict(11)
.
comment:34 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
 Work issues set to Comparison of the third key items
I think I need to modify one detail:
For efficiency and since domain/codomain of a map must be identic with (and not just equal to) the given keys, my patch compares them by "is" rather than "==". But I think one should still compare the third item of a key via "==" and not "is". I need to do some tests first...
comment:35 Changed 10 years ago by
It really is not an easy question whether or not we should have "is" or "==".
On the one hand, we have the lines
!python if y_mor is not None: all.append("Coercion on right operand via") all.append(y_mor) if res is not None and res is not y_mor.codomain(): raise RuntimeError, ("BUG in coercion model: codomains not equal!", x_mor, y_mor)
in sage/structure/coerce.pyx seem to imply that comparison via "is" is the right thing to do.
But in the same file, the coercion model copes with the fact that some parents are not unique:
!python # Make sure the domains are correct if R_map.domain() is not R: if fix: connecting = R_map.domain().coerce_map_from(R) if connecting is not None: R_map = R_map * connecting if R_map.domain() is not R: raise RuntimeError, ("BUG in coercion model, left domain must be original parent", R, R_map) if S_map is not None and S_map.domain() is not S: if fix: connecting = S_map.domain().coerce_map_from(S) if connecting is not None: S_map = S_map * connecting if S_map.domain() is not S: raise RuntimeError, ("BUG in coercion model, right domain must be original parent", S, S_map)
That would suggest that comparison by "==" (the old behaviour or TripleDict
) is fine.
Perhaps we should actually have to variants of TripleDict
, one using "is" and one using "==".
Note another detail of sage/structure/coerce.pyx: We have
cpdef verify_action(self, action, R, S, op, bint fix=True):
but
cpdef verify_coercion_maps(self, R, S, homs, bint fix=False):
Note the different default value for "fix". If "fix" is True then the coercion model tries to cope with nonunique parents by prepending a conversion between the two equal copies of a parent.
Since the default is to fix nonunique parents for actions, but not for coercion maps, I suggest that a "=="TripleDict
should be used for actions and an "is"TripleDict
for coercions.
comment:36 Changed 10 years ago by
I guess a choice has to be made and that it should at lest be as consistent as possible. What you propose makes sense to me, is not too far from the current model and gives a little more conssitency. Moreover, when both TripleDicts? will have been implemented, changing our mind later will be trivial.
comment:37 Changed 10 years ago by
There is another detail. Even in the old version of TripleDict
, we have
It is implemented as a list of lists (hereafter called buckets). The bucket is chosen according to a very simple hash based on the object pointer. and each bucket is of the form [k1, k2, k3, value, k1, k2, k3, value, ...] on which a linear search is performed.
So, the choice of a bucket is based on the object pointer  but then it is not consequent to compare by "==".
comment:38 Changed 10 years ago by
To be precise: The old behaviour was not consequent. The bucket depended on id(k1),id(k2),id(k3)
, but the comparison was by "==" rather than by "is".
Experimentally, I will provide two versions of TripleDict
, one using "hash"for determining the bucket and doing comparison by "==", the other using "id" for determining the bucket and doing comparison by "is".
comment:39 Changed 10 years ago by
 Work issues changed from Comparison of the third key items to fix doctests
As announced, I have attached an experimental patch. It provides two variants of TripleDict
, namely using "==" or "is" for comparison, respectively. Both are used, namely for caching coerce maps or actions, respectively.
It could be that a lastminute change was interfering, but I am confident that all but the following three tests pass:
sage t devel/sagemain/doc/en/bordeaux_2008/nf_introduction.rst # 1 doctests failed sage t devel/sagemain/sage/modular/modsym/space.py # Killed/crashed sage t devel/sagemain/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx # 3 doctests failed
The memory leak exposed in the ticket description is fixed (more or less):
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: a = K.random_element() sage: for i in range(500): ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a) ....: P = E.random_point() ....: Q = 2*P ....: sage: import gc sage: gc.collect() 862 sage: from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field sage: LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)] sage: len(LE) 2
I am not sure whether this makes #11521 redundant.
For now, it is "needs work, because of the doctests. But you can already play with the patch.
comment:40 Changed 10 years ago by
Sorry, only TWO doctests should fail: The tests of sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx are, of course, fixed.
comment:41 Changed 10 years ago by
The segfault in sage t devel/sagemain/sage/modular/modsym/space.py
seems difficult to debug.
Inspecting a core dump with gdb did not help at all:
(gdb) bt #0 0x00007f61d12ca097 in kill () from /lib64/libc.so.6 #1 0x00007f61d0044a40 in sigdie () from /home/simon/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/lib/libcsage.so #2 0x00007f61d0044646 in sage_signal_handler () from /home/simon/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/lib/libcsage.so #3 <signal handler called> #4 0x00007f61cf080520 in mpn_submul_1 () from /home/simon/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/lib/libgmp.so.8 #5 0x00007f61cf0b4f0f in __gmpn_sb_bdiv_q () from /home/simon/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/lib/libgmp.so.8 #6 0x00007f61cf0b6428 in __gmpn_divexact () from /home/simon/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/lib/libgmp.so.8 #7 0x00007f61ccbf4d64 in ?? () ... #191 0x55c0ade81d9aeecf in ?? () #192 0xffffe4b8b6920b7b in ?? () #193 0x000000000ac854cf in ?? () #194 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
How could one proceed? What other debugging techniques can you recommend?
comment:42 followup: ↓ 43 Changed 10 years ago by
Looks like you did not tell gdb about the executable you were running. You should run
gdb core=<corefile> $SAGE_LOCAL/bin/python
comment:43 in reply to: ↑ 42 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
Looks like you did not tell gdb about the executable you were running.
No, I did tell it. I did
gdb core=715doublecore ~/SAGE/sage4.8.alpha3/local/bin/python
Should I do it inside a Sage shell?
comment:44 Changed 10 years ago by
No, doing the same inside a sage shell did not help either.
comment:45 Changed 10 years ago by
I am now printing some debugging information into a file, which hopefully means that I am coming closer to the source of the problem. The segfault arises in line 2165 of sage/modular/modsym/space.py
comment:46 Changed 10 years ago by
Sorry, it was the wrong line number.
comment:47 Changed 10 years ago by
Meanwhile I am rather desperate: I have not the faintest idea how the segfault occurs.
Therefore I used some debugging function that I registered using sys.settrace(...)
, so that all Python commands in the critical example are written into a file.
I posted logs for the unpatched and the patched version.
There is one obvious difference of the two logs: The hash is called more often in the patched version. Calling the hash is rather inefficient for matrix spaces: Each time when the hash of a matrix space is called, the matrix space's string representation is created, which is slow. I suggest to cache the hash value (like what I did for polynomial rings in #9944), but this should be on a different ticket.
Apart from that, I can't spot an obvious difference. Do you have any clue?
comment:48 Changed 10 years ago by
It turns out that using TripleDictById
for the _action_maps cache makes the segfault disappear.
If one uses TripleDict
for _coercion_maps then
sage t devel/sagemain/sage/modular/modsym/space.py
takes 30 seconds, but if one also uses TripleDictById
then it only takes 23 seconds.
My conclusion:
 The old version of
TripleDict
was buggy: It usesid(...)
for the hash table, but==
for comparison. I think that had to be fixed.  The new version of
TripleDict
useshash(...)
for the hash table and==
for comparison. That should be fine, but (1) it leads to a segfault and (2) it leads to a slowdown. After all, callinghash(...)
is a lot slower than determining the address.  The new
TripleDictById
usesid(...)
for the hash table and... is ...
for comparison. Problem: It would probably not fix the memory leak.
However, the fact that using TripleDictById
fixes the segfault makes me wonder: Perhaps the segfault occurs when calling hash(...)
on a parent? Namely, in some cases, and action will already be constructed during initialisation of a parent. But if the hash is determined based on cdef data that aren't initialised, a segfault can easily occur.
I'll investigate that further. In any case, we need to keep an eye on the potential slowdown.
comment:49 Changed 10 years ago by
The segfault does not occur while computing a hash. It occurs in line 468 of sage/matrix/matrix_rational_dense.pyx, namely
mpq_mul(y, w._entries[j], self._matrix[j][i])
I also tested, just before that line, that w[j]
and self.get_unsafe(j,i)
(which accesses w._entries[j]
and self._matrix[j],[i]
) works.
At this point, I am at my wits' end. To me, it looks like a change in the way of comparing dictionary keys modifies internals of mpir (IIRC, this is where mpq_mul is defined). gdb can not decipher the core file, and I don't know how valgrind can be used.
What else?
comment:50 followup: ↓ 51 Changed 10 years ago by
Which patches did you apply? With only trac715_two_tripledicts.patch
applied sage doesn't start.
comment:51 in reply to: ↑ 50 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
Which patches did you apply? With only
trac715_two_tripledicts.patch
applied sage doesn't start.
What???
According to hg qapplied
, I have
trac_12057_fix_doctests.patch 9138_flat.patch trac_11319_prime_field_coercion.patch trac_11319_number_field_example.patch trac11900_category_speedup_combined.patch 11115_flat.patch trac_11115_docfix.patch trac715_two_tripledicts.patch
Remark: I work on openSUSE
, hence, I had to apply #12131 and thus also its dependency #12057. I doubt that the absence of #11115 is responsible for Sage not starting. And all other patches are dependencies.
What error occurs when you start Sage with my patch? If we are lucky, it gives some clue why the segfault in the one doctest occurs.
Best regards,
Simon
comment:52 Changed 10 years ago by
PS: I started on top of sage4.8.alpha3.
comment:53 Changed 10 years ago by
Meanwhile I built sage5.0.prealpha0 and applied #11780 and trac715_two_tripledicts.patch. Sage starts fine.
So, Volker, what had you have applied when Sage didn't start?
comment:54 Changed 10 years ago by
I think I made a progress: I found that the vector space that is part of the crash is not unique! So, the VectorMatrixAction
is defined for a vector space that is equal to but not identical with the vector space it is acting on!
The natural solution is to try and find out why the vector space is not unique. Vector spaces should be created using the VectorSpace
constructor, that relies on a UniqueFactory
. But apparently some very old code is constructing a vector space directly  it wouldn't be the first time that this is causing trouble.
comment:55 Changed 10 years ago by
PS: Note that vector spaces with different inner product are considered equal.
sage: V = QQ^5 sage: M = random_matrix(QQ,5,5) sage: M.set_immutable() sage: W = VectorSpace(QQ,5,inner_product_matrix=M) sage: V Vector space of dimension 5 over Rational Field sage: W Ambient quadratic space of dimension 5 over Rational Field Inner product matrix: [ 0 1/2 1 1 1] [ 0 0 0 1 1/2] [ 2 0 0 0 0] [ 1 0 2 0 0] [ 0 2 0 1 0] sage: V==W True sage: type(V)==type(W) False
But this is not the problem here: The two equal vector spaces involved in the crash have default inner product.
The nonuniqueness makes me think of another potential solution: The coercion model has a method "verify_action". This is only called when a new action is found, but not when an action is taken from the cache.
So, in addition to fixing the nonunique vector space in the modular symbols code, one could always verify the action. Probably this would be too slow, though.
comment:56 Changed 10 years ago by
Aha! We have a sparse versus a dense vector space! Here is our problem!
comment:57 Changed 10 years ago by
I did manage to install it and reproduce the crash. The core dump shows that the stack is completely corrupted before we called into gmp code.
comment:58 Changed 10 years ago by
Hi Volker,
good that you managed to install it. Meanwhile I think I can debug it without the core dump  I think mistaking a sparse with a dense vector space is a pretty convincing reason for a segfault.
However, I hate that old code!!
I tried verify_action
, but then hundreds of tests fail in sage/modular/modsym/space.py. So, apparently it is very common to have nonunique parents in such a way that the action can not be fixed!
For example, I see errors like
TypeError: Coercion of [Infinity]  [0] (of type <class 'sage.modular.modsym.boundary.BoundarySpaceElement'>) into Space of Boundary Modular Symbols for Congruence Subgroup Gamma0(43) of weight 2 and over Rational Field not (yet) defined.
Anyway, verify_action
is no solution.
comment:59 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:60 Changed 10 years ago by
Hi JeanPierre,
don't start ptestlong  I am about to update the new patch such that the segfault does not occur and the time for executing the test is fine and the memleak is gone!
Changed 10 years ago by
Use weak references to the keys of TripleDict
. Compare by "==" or by "is", depending on the application. Use weak references for storing actions.
comment:61 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
 Work issues fix doctests deleted
See the updated patch:
Apply trac715_two_tripledicts.patch
comment:62 Changed 10 years ago by
Here some remarks on the new patch:
I use TripleDictById
for storing actions, since otherwise we have trouble with nonunique parents and get segfaults.
In addition, I do not directly store the action but only a weak reference to it, since otherwise I couldn't fix the memory leak.
Sometimes, the stored action is in fact None
, for which we can't use a weak references. Instead, I use a constant function. For technical reasons it returns False and not None (namely, this is to avoid confusion with a weak reference that has become invalid).
Features
 The segfault in
sage t sage/modular/modsym/space.py
is gone.  The time for executing that test remains fine, namely 20.7 seconds (unpatched sage5.0.prealpha0) versus 21.4 seconds (with patch).
 The example from the ticket description does not leak anymore!
Thus, needs, review.
comment:63 followup: ↓ 64 Changed 10 years ago by
Ok, I'll give the new patch a go and report after make ptestlong and checking for the memleaks.
comment:64 in reply to: ↑ 63 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Ok, I'll give the new patch a go and report after make ptestlong
So do I.
I guess at least one thing is needed: Provide a doc test that demonstrates the fix of the memory leak. This should be similar to the example for the patch that I have posted at #11521. Note that #11521 is in fact a duplicate: The examples from the two ticket descriptions are almost identical.
comment:65 Changed 10 years ago by
Actions have strong references to domain and codomain, so its no surprise that they keep their coercion cache entry alive. But I don't understand how storing a weak reference to the action can work; Nothing else keeps the action alive unless it happens to be used while the garbage collector is running. So actions are essentially not cached any more. It seem that either actions should only store weak references to domain/codomain or we implement some ring buffer that keeps the last N coerce maps unconditionally alive.
In fact, the action's reference to domain and codomain seem to be for convenience only. After all you know domain and codomain when you constuct the action and when you pick it from the cache, so there shouldn't be much incentive to look it up. Perhaps it would be easy to make them weak refs, did you look into that?
comment:66 Changed 10 years ago by
I agree with Volker and would like to test putting weak refs to domain and codomain in Functor as I suggested in #11521 and letting an option to use strong ref by default so that a user building an action but not storing its domain elsewhere won't see it disappear magically.
Unfortunately I do not have much time to do anything more than testing till the end of the week.
comment:67 Changed 10 years ago by
I wouldn't use weak references for anything but caching. In particular, having a weak reference from a functor to its domain or codomain seems a nogo to me.
In one point I agree: There should be a mechanism to keep an action alive as long as domain and codomain exist. But perhaps this is already the case? Isn't there an action cache as an attribute of any parent? And isn't the action stored there (and not only in the cache of the coercion model) when an action is discovered?
So, before thinking of a weak reference from the functor to domain and codomain, I would first test whether the problem you describe actually occurs.
comment:68 Changed 10 years ago by
Just two mental notes:
One test in sage/structure/coerce.pyx fails, because it explicitly uses the action cache (ignoring the fact that it now contains weak references and not actions).
And: The long tests of these two files
devel/sage/sage/graphs/graph_generators.py devel/sage/sage/graphs/generic_graph.py
take 10 minutes each. Is my patch to blame, or has it been like that before?
comment:69 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
With sage4.8.alpha5 plus #9138 #11900 #1115 #715 and #11521 applied some tests fail, namely in the files:
 sage.rings.padic.padic_base_generic_element.pyx (1 test failed) but did NOT when rerun and did again the next time,
 sage.rings.number_field.number_field.py (1) and did NOT again,
 sage.structure.coerce.pyx (5) and did again,
 sage.algebras.quatalg.quaternion_algebra.py (1) and did again once and then did NOT again,
 lots of them in sage.homology.* (20+25+50+93+1) and did again.
The random behavior of some of the above tests fails with:
 IndexError?: list index out of range (padic)
 Attribute Error: QuaternionAlgebra_abstract_with_category object has no attribute _a (quatalg)
and at some point in the stack TripleDicts? of the coercion model are present.
comment:70 Changed 10 years ago by
Oops, this should be more readable:
With sage4.8.alpha5 plus #9138 #11900 #1115 #715 and #11521 applied some tests fail, namely in the files:
 sage.rings.padic.padic_base_generic_element.pyx (1 test failed) but did NOT when rerun and did again the next time,
 sage.rings.number_field.number_field.py (1) and did NOT again,
 sage.structure.coerce.pyx (5) and did again,
 sage.algebras.quatalg.quaternion_algebra.py (1) and did again once and then did NOT again,
 lots of them in sage.homology.* (20+25+50+93+1) and did again.
The random behavior of some of the above tests fails with:
 IndexError?: list index out of range (padic)
 Attribute Error: QuaternionAlgebra?_abstract_with_category object has no attribute _a (quatalg) and at some point in the stack TripleDicts? of the coercion model are present.
comment:71 Changed 10 years ago by
For info, the number_field test also fails with an "IndexError: list out of range".
comment:72 Changed 10 years ago by
 Work issues set to avoid regression
The flaky behaviour probably means that sometimes something gets garbage collected when it shouldn't.
But why do you have the patch from #11521 applied?
Note that with sage5.0.prealpha0 + #11780 + the new patch from here, I get two tests with errors, namely
sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx # 1 doctests failed sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce.pyx # 5 doctests failed
However, the tests took rather long in total: 12100 seconds with the new patch versus 4569 seconds unpatched.
I think the regression is not acceptable.
Well, perhaps you are right and we should experiment with weak references on domain and codomain.
comment:73 followup: ↓ 74 Changed 10 years ago by
Good point about #11521, I'd say because that what I was firstly interested in.
Without it applied, the flaky behavior seem to disappear.
I'll post timings with all patches, with all patches except for #11521, and with no patches in a few hours.
Anyway I guess Volker is right and even with just #715 applied we should check that actions do not get garbage collected continuously as your timings suggest.
comment:74 in reply to: ↑ 73 ; followups: ↓ 75 ↓ 76 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Good point about #11521, I'd say because that what I was firstly interested in.
Without it applied, the flaky behavior seem to disappear.
Good!
I'll post timings with all patches, with all patches except for #11521, and with no patches in a few hours.
OK, but I guess the timings I provided should be enough to show that the patch can not remain as it is now.
Anyway I guess Volker is right and even with just #715 applied we should check that actions do not get garbage collected continuously as your timings suggest.
Yep. Two potential solutions:
 Find out why apparently not all actions are registered in the parent (because then we would have a strong reference as long as at least the domain is alive).
 Play with the idea to have a strong reference on the action but a weak reference from a functor to its domain and codomain.
I'm trying the latter now.
comment:75 in reply to: ↑ 74 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Replying to jpflori:
Good point about #11521, I'd say because that what I was firstly interested in. Without it applied, the flaky behavior seem to disappear.
Good!
I'll post timings with all patches, with all patches except for #11521, and with no patches in a few hours.
OK, but I guess the timings I provided should be enough to show that the patch can not remain as it is now.
Anyway I guess Volker is right and even with just #715 applied we should check that actions do not get garbage collected continuously as your timings suggest.
Yep. Two potential solutions: 1. Find out why apparently not all actions are registered in the parent (because then we would have a strong reference as long as at least the domain is alive). 2. Play with the idea to have a strong reference on the action but a weak reference from a functor to its domain and codomain. I'm trying the latter now.
Just to summarize, here is the current problem, please correct me if some of the following is wrong: we want to let a codomain (resp. domain) get garbage collected when its only weak reffed outside of the coercion model.
Before the current patch the situation is as follows for actions:
 when an action is resolved, it is cached in a triple dict in the coercion model with the domain and codomains as keys
 the action is also cached in the dictionnaries in the domain and the codomain much in the same way
 there is also a similar cache for homsets
The current patch let weakrefs be used for the keys to the above dictionaries and a weak ref to the corresponding value (which is the action).
The problem is that as the action is only weak reffed everywhere now, it gets garbage collected all the time (to be confirmed).
If it is not, then the codomain (resp. domain) will in turn not get garbage collected, because it will be strongly reffed in the action strongly reffed in the domain (resp. codomain) (to be confirmed).
The problem for the homset patch is slightly different and is being discussed in #11521.
comment:76 in reply to: ↑ 74 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
 Find out why apparently not all actions are registered in the parent (because then we would have a strong reference as long as at least the domain is alive).
That's why:
sage: search_src("register_action") structure/parent.pyx:1698: self.register_action(action) structure/parent.pyx:1791: cpdef register_action(self, action): structure/parent.pyx:1841: sage: R.register_action(act) structure/parent.pxd:29: cpdef register_action(self, action)
So, simply register action isn't used at all  which makes me think why some actions are stored in the parent.
comment:77 Changed 10 years ago by
I see. register_action is not to be used after any coercion was established.
comment:78 followup: ↓ 79 Changed 10 years ago by
Just as a remark from the side lines, it seems that consistently storing a reference in the parent would be the cleanest solution. Perhaps the testsuite stuff can be used to verify that all parents do that?
comment:79 in reply to: ↑ 78 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
Just as a remark from the side lines, it seems that consistently storing a reference in the parent would be the cleanest solution.
But perhaps a difficult one. The condition that register_action
must not be used after defining any coercion is probably there for a reason.
Perhaps the testsuite stuff can be used to verify that all parents do that?
How could it? By hooking into the coercion model, look up any action there and verify that all are registered?
comment:80 Changed 10 years ago by
I have posted an experimental patch, that has to be applied on top of trac715_two_tripledicts.patch.
With the experimental patch, the coercion model stores strong references to the actions (hence, it restores the original behaviour), but functors will only store weak references to their domains and codomains.
Unfortunately, this does not fix the memory leak. But perhaps you want to play with it...
Ah! And I just see that "sage.categories.functor" was the wrong location to do the change.
comment:81 Changed 10 years ago by
Or I should say: Action.__domain
is not what the action acts on, but it is a groupoid, and is not used. So, forget the experimental patch.
comment:82 followup: ↓ 83 Changed 10 years ago by
An action of G on S stores direct references to G and to S.
The action is a functor, and as a functor, it additionally stores a reference to Groupoid(G)
, which stores another reference to G, and to the category of S.
In some cases, the category of S will store references to the base ring of S (for example, if S is an algebra), which might have a pointer back to S (for example if the action of S.base_ring()
on S was registered during initialisation). In this case, we are lost, since categories are unique parents and thus strongly cached (unless we apply #12215, which poses some problems).
For the same reason, creating the groupoid of G will result in an eternal reference on G (Groupoid(G)
is strongly cached and it points to G). So, the best that we can hope for is that we can free S at some point, but we will never be able to free G.
It starts to be complicated. Time to call it a day...
Perhaps the idea to register actions in the parents (in addition to a weak cache in the coercion model) is better?
comment:83 in reply to: ↑ 82 ; followup: ↓ 86 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
An action of G on S stores direct references to G and to S. The action is a functor, and as a functor, it additionally stores a reference to
Groupoid(G)
, which stores another reference to G, and to the category of S. In some cases, the category of S will store references to the base ring of S (for example, if S is an algebra), which might have a pointer back to S (for example if the action ofS.base_ring()
on S was registered during initialisation). In this case, we are lost, since categories are unique parents and thus strongly cached (unless we apply #12215, which poses some problems). For the same reason, creating the groupoid of G will result in an eternal reference on G (Groupoid(G)
is strongly cached and it points to G). So, the best that we can hope for is that we can free S at some point, but we will never be able to free G. It starts to be complicated. Time to call it a day... Perhaps the idea to register actions in the parents (in addition to a weak cache in the coercion model) is better?
But if you store the actions in both parents (with strong references), you will never be able to free any of the two domain and codomain.
In the ticket example for example you would get a strong reference to the action in the ZZ cache (which will hopefully never get deleted) (in fact that is what is happening with the current Sage version anyway, isn't that strange according to what you posted, because I guess is already initialized once the for loop is executed?) so the elliptic curves (in the ticket example you only get one stored in that cache because comarison was made with "==", if you let the j invariant change within the for loop you would get a growing number of curves in that cache) will stay strongly refed forever as well...
comment:84 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:85 Changed 10 years ago by
I got about 3350 sec on top of vanilla sage4.8.alpha5.
comment:86 in reply to: ↑ 83 Changed 10 years ago by
Hi JeanPierre,
Replying to jpflori:
But if you store the actions in both parents (with strong references), you will never be able to free any of the two domain and codomain.
This is not necessarily the case. You would merely get circular references, and they would not obstruct garbage collection, unless one item in the cycle has a __del__
method.
One problem, however, is that many actions start with ZZ
. And if ZZ
is contained in the cycle, then it can not be collected, since ZZ
will live forever  but you know that.
In the ticket example for example you would get a strong reference to the action in the ZZ cache (which will hopefully never get deleted) (in fact that is what is happening with the current Sage version anyway, isn't that strange according to what you posted, because I guess is already initialized once the for loop is executed?)
Yes. And is it really sure that the actions are stored in ZZ
?
Anyway. They are stored by ==
, and thus only one copy remains alive.
so the elliptic curves (in the ticket example you only get one stored in that cache because comarison was made with "==", if you let the j invariant change within the for loop you would get a growing number of curves in that cache) will stay strongly refed forever as well...
Yes. And that is a problem that, again, might be solved using weak references.
Namely:
Consider an action A of G on S. Typically, G is immortal (like ZZ
), but we are willing to let A and S die if we do not have any "external" strong reference to S. In particular, the existence of A should not be enough to keep S alive.
I think this can be accomplished as follows:
 For quick access and for backwards compatibility, we want that actions remain stored in the coercion model. We use weak references to the keys (G,S), but a strong reference to the action (this is what the previous version of trac715_two_tripledicts.patch did).
 In addition to that, A should only have a weak reference to S; I think it doesn't matter whether the reference from A to G is strong or weak.
Let us analyse what happens with G, S and A:
 G will remain alive forever, even without an external reference. Namely, the coercion cache has a strong reference to A; as a functor, A points to
Groupoid(G)
;Groupoid(G)
is strongly cached (unless we use weak caching forUniqueRepresentation
) and must have a reference to G. If we decide to use weak caching forUniqueRepresentation
, then we would only have a strong reference from G to A and a weak or strong reference from A to G. That would be fine for garbage collection. Anyway, I think keeping G alive will not hurt.  Assume that there is no external reference to S. There is a weak reference to S from the cache in the coercion model, namely as key of the cache. Moreover, there is another weak reference from A to S. Hence, S could be garbage collected.
 Assume that there is no external reference to A. If S is garbage collected (see the previous point), then it will remove itself from the coercion cache, and thus the strong reference to A would vanish  it could be collected. But if S is alive, then A will remain alive as well.
However, this is how the experimental patch should work  and it does not fix the leak. Perhaps this is, again, due to caching the homsets? So, we would need the patch from #12215 as well. Difficult topic.
comment:87 Changed 10 years ago by
Sorry, I meant "we would need the patch from #11521 as well".
comment:88 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
I have attached another patch, which implements the ideas sketched above. I think it corresponds to what you suggested ("use a weak reference from the action to the domain").
One detail: We have to distinguish between the underlying set, the domain and the codomain of an action. In fact, the new patch only uses a weak reference to the underlying set, and introduces a cdef function (hence, hopefully with little overhead) returning it.
I consider sage5.0.prealpha0 plus trac11780_unique_auxiliar_polyring.patch (probably not needed) plus trac715_two_tripledicts.patch plus trac715_weak_action.patch.
At least sage t sage/modular/modsym/space.py
passes, but I need to run the whole test suite.
The example from the ticket description does not leak. However, if the jinvariant varies, it seems that for each elliptic curve one copy is preserved:
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: for i in range(500): ....: a = K.random_element() ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a) ....: P = E.random_point() ....: Q = 2*P ....: sage: import gc sage: gc.collect() 2124 sage: from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field sage: LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)] sage: len(LE) 500
In any case, the original leak is fixed with the two patches. The question is whether the second patch suffices to keep actions alive, whether it avoids a regression, and whether all tests pass.
If everything is alright, we may still try to find out where the remaining strong reference to an elliptic curve comes from.
comment:89 Changed 10 years ago by
PS: The additional application of #11521 does not suffice to avoid the remaining strong reference to an elliptic curve.
comment:90 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_info
With the two patches applied, I get some doctest errors that seem trivial to fix, and it takes 10905 seconds in total. Now, I am not sure: Originally, I had much less time with unpatched Sage.
But perhaps my computer was in a different state at that time? JeanPierre, if I understood correctly, you did not find any significant slowdown, right?
The first (i.e., the "official") patch is enough to fix the leak for the original example. According to JeanPierre, the timings are fine, it does not matter whether we have no patch, the official patch only, or the first experimental patch. And according to my own test, it does not matter whether we have the first or the second experimental patch.
So, the further proceeding depends on the following questions:
 The experimental patches provide two different approaches to fix a potential problem, namely actions being deallocated when they are still needed. However, is this potential problem a real problem? Only then would it make sense to consider the experimental patches!
 Do we also want to fix the leak in the more difficult example, namely when the jinvariant varies? In this case, we need to find out why the actions are registered in ZZ. It is not clear yet whether one really needs one of the experimental patches to get rid of it.
What is your answer to the questions?
comment:91 Changed 10 years ago by
There are two occasions for writing stuff into Parent._action_hash
: During initialisation, via register_action, and in addition the action is stored in the parent when a new action is found while calling get_action.
Perhaps we should distinguish the two cases: The actions that are stored during initialisation should probably be "immortal". But the actions that is stored on the fly should only be weakly cached.
I think this can be solved by changing Parent._action_hash
into a dictionary that uses weak references to both the keys and the values. There is one difference between register_action and get_action: register_action additionally stores the actions in a list, but get_action doesn't. Hence, indeed the actions registered during initialisation will survive, but the stuff stored by get_action could become collectable.
comment:92 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_info to needs_review
 Work issues avoid regression deleted
Yesss!! It suffices (in addition to what I did before) to use a TripleDictById
(which uses weak references to the keys, but strong references to the value) for Parent._action_hash
!!!
The leak is no completely gone:
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: for i in range(50): ....: a = K.random_element() ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a) ....: P = E.random_point() ....: Q = 2*P ....: sage: from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field sage: import gc, objgraph sage: gc.collect() 882 sage: LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)] sage: len(LE) 1
I need to add a test (or better: modify the test introduced by the first patch), demonstrating that the "big" leak is fixed, and I need to add tests for the new code I wrote, and of course I need to run ptestlong.
Nevertheless, I think you can start reviewing. And please store the doc test times, so that we can detect any regression.
Apply trac715_two_tripledicts.patch trac715_weak_action.patch
comment:93 followup: ↓ 94 Changed 10 years ago by
Good!
I've just built last sage prealpha and am quite busy today, but I'll at least run ptestlong with and without patches to get timings in the afternoo.
comment:94 in reply to: ↑ 93 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
I've just built last sage prealpha and am quite busy today, but I'll at least run ptestlong with and without patches to get timings in the afternoo.
Good! I am sure that there will be errors (for example, the current test against the leak expects len(LE)==2
), but the timings will certainly be interesting. And of course, it would be interesting whether an action can die prematurely.
comment:95 Changed 10 years ago by
I am sure that there is a regression compared with vanilla sage5.0.prealpha0. For example, when I originally ran sage ptestlong, sage/schemes/hyperellyptic_cuve/hyperellyptic_padic_field.py took 57 seconds, but with the patches it takes 160 seconds.
comment:96 Changed 10 years ago by
Meanwhile I took some timings on a different machine. Based on the experience that the schemes code tends to slow down a lot when one does fancy stuff (see #11900 and #11935), I use "sage/schemes" as a test bed.
I find (based on sage4.8.alpha3):
With patch
king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage4.8.alpha3/devel/sage$ hg qapplied trac_12149.3.patch 9138_flat.patch trac11900_category_speedup_combined.patch 11115_flat.patch trac_11115_docfix.patch trac715_two_tripledicts.patch trac715_weak_action.patch king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage4.8.alpha3/devel/sage$ ../../sage t sage/schemes/ ...  All tests passed! Total time for all tests: 625.1 seconds
Here are the five worst:
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py" [58.1 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/heegner.py" [51.1 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py" [35.2 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/padic_lseries.py" [26.9 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/sha_tate.py" [25.7 s]
Now, the same without the two patches from here:
king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage4.8.alpha3/devel/sage$ hg qapplied trac_12149.3.patch 9138_flat.patch trac11900_category_speedup_combined.patch 11115_flat.patch trac_11115_docfix.patch king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage4.8.alpha3/devel/sage$ ../../sage t sage/schemes/ ...  All tests passed! Total time for all tests: 597.0 seconds
And the five worst, comparing with the times from above, are:
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py" [55.4 s] (was: [58.1 s]) sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/heegner.py" [47.2 s] (was: [51.1 s]) sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py" [34.1 s] (was: [35.2 s]) sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/padic_lseries.py" [26.1 s] (was: [26.9 s]) sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/sha_tate.py" [24.9 s] (was: [25.7 s])
Hence, we have a slowdown of, overall, (625.1  597)/625.1 = 4.5%
, the slowdown seems to be systematic (you hardly find an example that became faster), and in some cases we have a slowdown of 10%.
I expected it to be worse (after all, coercion affects everything). But still, the question is: Can the slowdown be avoided?
comment:97 followup: ↓ 98 Changed 10 years ago by
So here are my global timings for ptestlong on sage.5.0.prealpha0:
 3092.9 seconds with no errors on vanilla
 3097.8 seconds with 3 errors in sage.matrix.action.pyx and 1 in sage.structure.corece_dict.pyx on vanille + the two patches in the current ticket (#715) description.
That's kind of strange. Maybe the slowdown is absorbed by the fact that the test are running in parallel ?
I'll just test sage.schemes with a single core and report.
comment:98 in reply to: ↑ 97 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
 3092.9 seconds with no errors on vanilla
 3097.8 seconds with 3 errors in sage.matrix.action.pyx and 1 in sage.structure.corece_dict.pyx on vanille + the two patches in the current ticket (#715) description.
Cool!
Note that the tests in sage/schemes only take 597.5 seconds when I apply #11943 and #11935 on top. Hence, if there really is a slowdown then it can be countered.
One detail about trac: If you want to link to a ticket, you can just provide the number after the "hash symbol", hence, #715
and not [http://.../715 #715]
.
That's kind of strange. Maybe the slowdown is absorbed by the fact that the test are running in parallel ?
I don't know the typical standard deviation of the timings.
comment:99 Changed 10 years ago by
Interestingly, I get slightly different errors:
sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx # 1 doctests failed sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/structure/parent.pyx # 1 doctests failed sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/matrix/action.pyx # 5 doctests failed
Anyway, this should be easy to fix...
comment:100 Changed 10 years ago by
... and it took me 12187.2 seconds.
comment:101 Changed 10 years ago by
The second patch is updated, more examples are added (in particular, it is demonstrated that the memory leak is fixed even when the jinvariant varies), and the errors that I had with the previous version are gone.
Hence, it can now be reviewed. Please try to find regressions!
Apply trac715_two_tripledicts.patch trac715_weak_action.patch
comment:102 followup: ↓ 103 Changed 10 years ago by
Testing sage.schemes with only one core gave me:
 1526.0 sec on vanilla
 1538.8 sec on vanilla + #715
This is more than acceptable according to me (if it does reflect anything... it might only be random stuff).
Running five tests of sage.schemes.elliptic_curves.padic_lseries gave me:
 51.0, 48.7, 47.0, 47.0, 47.1 on vanilla
 49.0, 47.2, 48.4, 47.4, 47.7 on vanilla + #715
Still surprising that I don't find any slowdown as you did, but I might also be good news :)
My next step is to check for the memory leaks (same j invariant, different j invariants, finite field example of Paul in #11521 ? or do that last one need a patch for the HomSet cache ? if this is the case it won't prevent this ticket to be closed, but should be treated in #11521, otherwise #11521 can be closed as duplicate) and that action do not get continuously deleted.
Afterward, I'll properly review your code and examples (that I've already seen many times obviously :)).
comment:103 in reply to: ↑ 102 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Testing sage.schemes with only one core gave me:
 1526.0 sec on vanilla
 1538.8 sec on vanilla + #715
That's very good news indeed!
Running five tests of sage.schemes.elliptic_curves.padic_lseries gave me:
 51.0, 48.7, 47.0, 47.0, 47.1 on vanilla
 49.0, 47.2, 48.4, 47.4, 47.7 on vanilla + #715
That looks like quite some randomness.
My next step is to check for the memory leaks (same j invariant, different j invariants, finite field example of Paul in #11521 ? or do that last one need a patch for the HomSet cache ?
Yes, the finite field example is not solved:
sage: for p in prime_range(10^5): ....: K = GF(p) ....: a = K(0) ....: sage: import gc sage: gc.collect() 0
So, I am going to modify the ticket description of #11521, indicating that the original elliptic curve example has been tackled here, but that there remains an orthogonal problem.
Afterward, I'll properly review your code and examples (that I've already seen many times obviously :)).
Not so many times: Some examples are only in the very latest version of the second patch.
comment:104 Changed 10 years ago by
Please be careful with the non slowdown I reported above.
Something must have gone wrong with my installation, sorry for that, as I realized that the leak was not fixed.
I'll investigate all of this more carefully ASAP.
comment:105 Changed 10 years ago by
There is one thing, related with regressions, that I didn't do: The TripleDict
is cimported in sage/structure/coerce.pyx, and thus I could use the cdefed methods "set" and "get". But instead, I'm using the usual Python __getitem__
and __setitem__
. So, I could avoid some overhead. Will test it a bit later.
Changed 10 years ago by
Use weak references to the underlying set of an action. Use TripleDictById
to store actions in parents. Disregard the orphan_functor patch!
comment:106 Changed 10 years ago by
I have updated the second patch, so, please replace it with the new version. I am sorry that this came to late for "ptestlong", but perhaps the timings with the old patch version indicate what it might make sense to look at with the new version.
Apply trac715_two_tripledicts.patch trac715_weak_action.patch
comment:107 Changed 10 years ago by
By the way, here is an example that shows that a TripleDictById
finds its items faster then a usual dict, even though it has the additional advantage of weak keys. If one uses Cython, one can still save some more, which is what I did in the preceding change of the second patch.
I create a list of pairs of rings:
sage: for p in prime_range(10^3): ....: K = GF(p) ....: P = K['x','y'] ....: L.append((K,P)) ....: sage: len(L) 168
I create a TripleDictById
and a usual dictionary, and fill it by the same data:
sage: from sage.structure.coerce_dict import TripleDictById sage: D = TripleDictById(113) sage: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: D[K,P,True] = i ....: sage: E = {} sage: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: E[K,P,True] = i ....: sage: len(D) 168 sage: len(E) 168
I create cython functions that know about the types. In the first, I use the Python way of accessing data from TripleDictById
, in the second, I use the special cdefed get()
method, and the third is for usual dictionaries.
sage: cython(""" ....: from sage.structure.coerce_dict cimport TripleDictById ....: def testD(TripleDictById D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D[K,P,True] ....: def testDget(TripleDictById D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D.get(K,P,True) ....: def testE(dict D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D[K,P,True] ....: """)
Even though Cython is supposed to be quite good at optimising dictionary access (mind that testE(...)
knows that it will receive a dictionary!), I was surprised by how much faster the TripleDictById
is:
sage: %timeit testD(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 67.8 µs per loop sage: %timeit testDget(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 52.1 µs per loop sage: %timeit testE(E,L) 125 loops, best of 3: 3.26 ms per loop
Fourty to sixty times faster! So, I think it was a good idea to use TripleDictById
not only in the coercion model, but also as an attribute of Parent.
comment:108 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
 Work issues set to Avoid a regression
We have a big regression.
I considered the doctests of sage/modules/free_module.py and took each timing twice, in order to be on the safe side.
Vanilla 5.0.prealpha0
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [11.9 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [10.3 s]
With the first patch from here:
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [24.1 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [25.7 s]
With both patches from here:
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [26.0 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [25.8 s]
I think such a huge regression can't be accepted. Thus, it is "needs work".
comment:109 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_info
 Work issues changed from Avoid a regression to Get some timings
Your timings are kind of strange in comparison with what I get.
I was going to post what follows which I double checked:
I can finally confirm I do not get any serious speed regression with the last couple of patches.
ptestlong gives something between 3100 and 3250 seconds with 5.0.prealpha0 vanilla or 715 applied.
Testing only sage.schemes with one core gives me between 1550 and 1600 with both in the same way.
And this time I confirm the test with random jinvariants is fixed by 715 and is not without (I'm getting paranoid now) as well as with a fixed jinvariant.
I'll review the code and example next.
So when I saw your post, I ran "sage t devel/sage/sagemain/modules/free_modules.py" with both my installations (vanilla and vanilla+715) and got several times about 13 sec for both ! maybe a mean little lower for vanilla (at max .5 sec less).
I should mention I also get a quite big variance, not sure why, because my system is not heavily loaded, maybe cos the disk is on NFS.
E.g. I got between 12.3 and 20.0 (just once) for vanilla and between 12.7and 19. (at the same time, so maybe the network was loaded at that time ??)
For info I got a quite recent multicore Xeon running an outdated version of Ubuntu 64 bits.
comment:110 Changed 10 years ago by
Groumpf, trac didnot like my blank lines.
So the original part I was about to post is inbetween "I can finally confirm..." and "example next."
comment:111 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_info to needs_review
It is always possible that there is a regression on some hardware, but not on all.
I made an excessive log, i.e., I logged all Python commands. It turns out that there are only little differences with or without patch. Hence, I am sure that the regression does not come from an excessive garbage collection (otherwise, I would have seen that some objects are created repeatedly). So, I guess the regression comes from the Clevel.
There is one thing that could make my code too slow: I use weak references in my version of TripleDict
and TripleDictById
; however, when getting dictionary items, I am calling the weak reference, in order to get the object that it is pointing to, and compare then. That is slow.
I was thinking: Perhaps I could manage to use id(X)
as key of TripleDictById
, rather than a weak reference to X
. The weak reference to X
could be stored elsewhere.
Anyway, here is a data point:
Unpatched (there is only TripleDict
, no TripleDictById
):
sage: from sage.structure.coerce_dict import TripleDict sage: D = TripleDict(113) sage: L = [] sage: for p in prime_range(10^3): ....: K = GF(p) ....: P = K['x','y'] ....: L.append((K,P)) ....: sage: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: D[K,P,True] = i ....: sage: cython(""" ....: def testD(D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D[K,P,True] ....: """) sage: %timeit testD(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 30.6 µs per loop
Patched (comparing TripleDict
and TripleDictById
):
sage: from sage.structure.coerce_dict import TripleDict, TripleDictById sage: D = TripleDict(113) sage: E = TripleDictById(113) sage: L = [] sage: for p in prime_range(10^3): ....: K = GF(p) ....: P = K['x','y'] ....: L.append((K,P)) ....: sage: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: D[K,P,True] = i ....: E[K,P,True] = i ....: sage: cython(""" ....: def testD(D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D[K,P,True] ....: """) sage: %timeit testD(D,L) 25 loops, best of 3: 21 ms per loop sage: %timeit testD(E,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 61.9 µs per loop
In the applications, I am mainly using TripleDictById
. Nevertheless, it is only half as fast as the old TripleDict
. So, this is what I have to work at!
comment:112 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
comment:113 followup: ↓ 114 Changed 10 years ago by
This is a bit hackish, but we could also store a strong reference as before but manually Py_DECREF
it by one. The eraser then has to make sure that cache entries are removed when they fall out of use, or we'll segfault....
comment:114 in reply to: ↑ 113 ; followups: ↓ 115 ↓ 116 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
This is a bit hackish, but we could also store a strong reference as before but manually
Py_DECREF
it by one. The eraser then has to make sure that cache entries are removed when they fall out of use, or we'll segfault....
How should the eraser know which entry is to be removed? I wouldn't like to reimplement the weakref module...
At least on my machine, I have a regression. In order to avoid it, I am now experimenting with some ideas to speedup the access to dictionary items: With my current patch, I do something like
if k1 is bucket[i]()
where buchet[i]
is a weak reference. But calling the reference takes a lot of time.
For example, since k1 is compared by identity (not equality), it might make sense to store id(bucket[i]())
as an attribute of the weak reference. This is possible by weakref.KeyedRef
. And bucket[i].key
is a bit faster than bucket[i]()
.
comment:115 in reply to: ↑ 114 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
For example, since k1 is compared by identity (not equality), it might make sense to store
id(bucket[i]())
as an attribute of the weak reference. This is possible byweakref.KeyedRef
. Andbucket[i].key
is a bit faster thanbucket[i]()
.
... but k1 is bucket[i]()
is a lot faster than id(k1)==bucket[i].key
. Too bad.
comment:116 in reply to: ↑ 114 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
How should the eraser know which entry is to be removed? I wouldn't like to reimplement the weakref module...
As you said in the preceeding comment, you'd have to store a weak reference elsewhere. The only advantage is that comparing could be done on the actual reference.
comment:117 Changed 10 years ago by
Perhaps as follows: We currently have one ensemble of buckets. Instead, we could have two ensembles, say, self.keys
and self.refs
. Each bucket in both ensembles is a list of length 3*n
. Let X,Y,Z
be key, let h be the hash of that triple and V the value associated with X,Y,Z
.
Then, one could store X,Y,Z
as self.keys[h][i:i+3]
, with artificially decrementing the reference count for X and Y (but not for Z, which usually is True, False, None, operator.mul and so on), as suggested by Volker. And self.refs[h][i:i+3]
would be formed by a weak reference to X, a weak reference to Y, and V. The two weak references have a callback function, that tries to find a reference self.refs[h][j]
when it became invalid, and would delete the corresponding triple both in self.refs[h]
and in self.keys[h]
.
Two weak references with callback function pointing to the same object are distinct (they are only the same if they don't have a callback function). Hence, each reference occurs in the TripleDict
exactly once. Hence, it makes sense to store the hash value of the triple X,Y,Z
as additional data both in the reference to X and to Y  which is possible with weakref.KeyedRef
. In that way, deleting an entry when a reference became invalid would be much faster as with my current patch, since it is not needed to search in all buckets.
I will try it tomorrow.
comment:118 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
Here is a preliminary combined patch, implementing the ideas sketched in the previous post  except that I forgot to explicitly decref stuff... Trying that now. I hope it doesn't segfault.
comment:119 Changed 10 years ago by
Hm. When adding a "Py_DECREF", some doctest segfaults, and also the memory leak is not completely fixed: In the test where one creates 50 elliptic curves with random jinvariant, 12 of them survive garbage collection. That's better than 50, but worse than 1.
comment:120 Changed 10 years ago by
First of all, in my current patch, I forgot the case k1 is k2
: In that case, I would decrement the reference count twice for the same object. However, even when I avoid it, I get a double free.
I wonder: Could the double free result from the fact that I do del self.key_buckets[h][i:i+3]
when the reference count for self.key_buckets[h][i]
is already zero? Or would that be no problem?
comment:121 Changed 10 years ago by
I made some progress by using Py_CLEAR
instead of Py_DECREF
. Now, it is "only" signal 11, not a doublefree.
comment:122 Changed 10 years ago by
Sorry, it seems that I have no idea whatsoever of reference counting. I made experiments with Py_DECREF
resp. Py_CLEAR
applied to list elements, but in all cases I get a segfault when the next garbage collection occurs.
comment:123 Changed 10 years ago by
 Work issues changed from Get some timings to Improve timing and provid documentation
I have updated the patch. Instead of storing the original key and using Py_DECREF
, I store its address instead (for TripleDictId
) resp. use another weak reference.
With the new patch, sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py"
works and is about as fast as in vanilla sage.
Moreover, the memleak is fixed.
However, the patch isn't fully tested or documented yet. And still TripleDictById
is only half as fast as the old TripleDict
(but recall: The old is buggy and uses strong references). So, it isn't ready for review, but of course I'd appreciate preliminary comments.
Apply trac715_tripledict_combined.patch
comment:124 Changed 10 years ago by
 Work issues changed from Improve timing and provid documentation to Rename `TripleDictById` into `TripleDict`. Improve timing and update documentation
OMG!!
I totally misinterpreted how the keys were compared in the original version of TripleDict
. When I saw the line if PyList_GET_ITEM(bucket, i) == <PyObject*>k1
in the old code, I thought that this means to compare the objects by equality.
But now I learnt that this is comparison by identity. Arrgh! The behaviour that I provide with TripleDictById
was there all along!
Conclusion: I should erase my version of TripleDict
(which really compares by equality, not identity), rename my TripleDictById
into TripleDict
, and then finally try to get things up to speed.
comment:125 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_info
 Work issues changed from Rename `TripleDictById` into `TripleDict`. Improve timing and update documentation to Should we rename `TripleDictById` into `TripleDict`, or do we want a "weak triple dictionary with comparison by equality"?
I have posted a new patch version.
Recall that we want a dictionary whose keys are triples; we want to compare all three key items by identity, and we want that there is only a weak reference to the first two key items (the third my have a strong reference).
The TripleDictById
is now based on the following idea:
 There is one list that stores the memory addresses of the first two key items and the third key item. In particular, I don't need to decref the key items, since we only store their addresses.
 There is another list that stores the value corresponding to the key triple, and stores weak references with a callback function to the first two key items.
 When accessing the dictionary, the address of the first two key items is compared with the stored address, and the third is compared by identity with the stored data.
 Only when iterating over the
TripleDictById
, the weak references are called (of course: iteritems is supposed to return the keys, not just the address of the keys).  There are two reasons for storing the weak references (and not only the addresses): The callback function of the weak references removes unused entries of the dictionary, and we also need it for iteration over the dictionary.
Status of the patch
 The "raw" speed seems to be almost as good as in the unpatched version, the speed of doctests seems to be OK, and I don't observe segfaults.
 The memleak is fixed.
 The documentation of sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx needs more polishing, and last but not least I did not run the doctests yet.
The patch still contains both TripleDict
(which compares weak keys by equality) and TripleDictById
(which compares keys by identity, similar to what TripleDict
does in unpatched Sage, but using weak references).
What do you think: Should comparison by equality be provided in the patch?
Contra:
We don't use it in the rest of Sage, so, why should we add it?
Pro:
A "triple dict by comparison" is slower than a usual (strong) dictionary, but on the other hand
weakref.WeakKeyDictionary
does not work if the keys are tuples  hence, "triple dict by comparison" adds a new feature.
comment:126 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
 Status changed from needs_info to needs_review
 Work issues Should we rename `TripleDictById` into `TripleDict`, or do we want a "weak triple dictionary with comparison by equality"? deleted
To answer my own question: I believe that comparison by equality does not make sense (yet), since it isn't used in the coercion model.
Therefore, I have produced a new patch. Idea: The TripleDict
stores the addresses of the keys. In addition, there is a dictionary of weak references with callback function. The only purpose of these references is that their callback functions are erasing invalid dictionary items.
"Raw" speed
Patched:
sage: from sage.structure.coerce_dict import TripleDict sage: D = TripleDict(113) sage: L = [] sage: for p in prime_range(10^3): ....: K = GF(p) ....: P = K['x','y'] ....: L.append((K,P)) ....: sage: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: D[K,P,True] = i ....: sage: cython(""" ....: from sage.structure.coerce_dict cimport TripleDict ....: def testTriple(TripleDict D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D[K,P,True] ....: def testTripleGet(TripleDict D, list L): ....: for K,P in L: ....: n = D.get(K,P,True) ....: def testTripleSet(list L): ....: cdef TripleDict D = TripleDict(113) ....: for i,(K,P) in enumerate(L): ....: D.set(K,P,True, i) ....: """) sage: %timeit testTriple(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 42.4 µs per loop sage: %timeit testTripleGet(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 28.3 µs per loop sage: %timeit testTripleSet(L) 125 loops, best of 3: 2.66 ms per loop
Unpatched:
sage: %timeit testTriple(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 31.2 µs per loop sage: %timeit testTripleGet(D,L) 625 loops, best of 3: 17.5 µs per loop sage: %timeit testTripleSet(L) 625 loops, best of 3: 79.2 µs per loop
Doctest speed
Patched
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [11.4 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [11.7 s]
Unpatched
sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [11.7 s] sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/modules/free_module.py" [11.5 s]
Conclusion
Using weak references, things become a bit slower, but it is a lot better than with the previous patches. According to the timing of the doc tests, the regression doesn't matter in applications.
I guess there is no free lunch, and thus the regression is small enough, given that the memory leak is fixed (which is checked in a new test).
I have not run the full test suite yet, but I think it can be reviewed.
Apply trac715_one_triple_dict.patch
Changed 10 years ago by
Drop the distinction of TripleDict
versus TripleDictById
. Use the memory addresses as dictionary keys
comment:127 Changed 10 years ago by
make ptest
reported only one error, and the error was in fact a misprint. Hence, I have updated my patch, and with it, all tests should pass.
comment:128 Changed 10 years ago by
Here are finally some first timings for 'make ptest' (this time I first checked the memory leak is actually fixed...)
 sage5.0.prealpha1 vanilla: 937.4 sec
 sage5.0.prealpha1 + 715: 948.8 sec
No errors for both. I'll report on make ptestlong tomorrow, try to check that actions do not get continuously deleted and finally review the code.
comment:129 followup: ↓ 130 Changed 10 years ago by
Running "make ptestlong" gave me:
 sage5.0.prealpha1 vanilla: 1397.9 sec
 sage5.0.prealpha1 + 715: 1415.0 sec
with no errors for both (I remarked that testing sandpile.py was horribly long with my previous install of sage5.0.prealpha0, something like 1350 sec for it alone; in between I've updated my ubuntu and recompiled everything for prealpha1, so that might explain why my new timings are so faster).
Hence no regression!
comment:130 in reply to: ↑ 129 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:131 Changed 10 years ago by
I found another memory leak:
sage: K = GF(1<<55,'t') sage: for i in range(50): ....: a = K.random_element() ....: E = EllipticCurve(j=a) ....: b = K.has_coerce_map_from(E) ....: sage: import gc sage: gc.collect() 0
Namely, K.coerce_map_from(E)
stores the resulting map (or None) in a strong dictionary.
Several questions: Would it suffice to change the dictionary into a WeakKeyDictionary
? If it would: Would it cause a regression? I guess the answer to the second question is "yes", since getting an item out of a weak key dictionary is quite slow and requesting a coerce map is a very frequent operation.
So, I suppose one could introduce another type of dictionary, analogous to TripleDict
, which would not test for equality but for identity.
But should this be here or on a new ticket? I think the patch from here is big enough, hence, do it on a different ticket, but you can try to convince me to do it here.
Since the patchbot tried to use the wrong patches:
Apply trac715_one_tripledict.patch
comment:132 Changed 10 years ago by
I don't know why the patchbot keeps trying to apply all patches.
Anyway. First experiments show that a MonoDict
(which would be my name for a dictionary that uses weak keys, compares the keys by identity and expect a singly item as a key) is a lot faster than a usual dictionary, if the keys are frequently used parents such as finite fields. "A lot" means: More than 20 times faster.
I will simply try whether things still work when I replace dictionaries by MonoDict
in the coercion model. If they do, I'll post here. If there are difficult problems, I'll move it to a different ticket.
comment:133 Changed 10 years ago by
I'd say we'd better put your MonoDict? fix in another ticket, even if it no difficult problems arise, to keep the patch readable enough and the problems clearly separated.
And close this one asap... sorry I should be the one finally reviewing your code (I already checked for speed regression and actual fix of the leak as mentioned above), but I do not have much time these days.
I'd say I'll do that on thursday (at worst i hope), as there is some Sage meeting in Paris that day.
comment:134 Changed 10 years ago by
See #12313 for the other memleak.
comment:135 Changed 10 years ago by
You raised the question whether actions (and perhaps maps as well) are garbage collected too often. I inserted some lines of code into the init method of sage.categories.map.Map
and sage.categories.action.Action
that counts how often the init method is called (namely by appending one character to some file on my disk). Then, I ran the doctests in sage.schemes
. Result:
With #11780 only
 76102 maps
 41381 actions
 647.3 seconds
 76192 maps
 46157 actions
 658 seconds
So, actions are created about 10% more often than without the patch, while the speed regression is not so dramatic.
Two explanations:
 These 10% of actions would have been needed, and it is bad that they were garbage collected.
 One file contains many tests, and often these tests are quite similar. In particular, many actions will occur in many different tests. Without the patch, the actions created by the first test are strongly cached and are thus still available for the second, third, ... test. But with the patch, the actions created by the first test will be garbage collected when the first test is done. Hence, it is good that they were garbage collected.
In order to find out whether 1. or 2. is the correct explanation, I'll determine the number of maps and actions created in "single" computations, namely in the benchmarks discussed at #11900.
comment:136 Changed 10 years ago by
Here is some more data. In all cases, I give the number of maps and actions created, first with #11780 only and then with #11780+#715.
First test: Start Sage!
> 191 maps, 44 actions versus 191 maps, 44 actions. Fine!
Second test:
E = J0(46).endomorphism_ring() g = E.gens()
> 597 maps, 320 actions versus 611 maps, 481 actions. That's about 50% more actions and is thus not good.
Third test:
L = EllipticCurve('960d1').prove_BSD()
> 3550 maps, 97 actions versus 3550 maps, 97 actions. Fine!
Fourth test:
E = EllipticCurve('389a') for p in prime_range(10000): if p != 389: G = E.change_ring(GF(p)).abelian_group()
> 14969 maps, 9884 actions versus 14969 maps, 9885 actions. Fine!
Question to the reviewer: How bad do you think is the "missing action" in the second example? Would it be worth while to fix it in the method E.gens
?
Would you even think I should try to modify TripleDict
so that a list of strong references is preserved, but the list can only have a maximal length (thus popping the first references on the list when new references are appended)? In that way, one could extend the life time of the cache, but at the same time one would avoid an infinite memory growth.
It is a shame that Python only has strong and weak references, but no soft references!
comment:137 Changed 10 years ago by
 Cc robertwb added
At sagedevel, Robert Bradshaw suggested the following benchmark, measuring the impact of the new TripleDict
on multiplication of integers with RDF
(which does involve actions and thus does involve lookup in TripleDict
):
sage: def test(n): ....: a = Integer(10) ....: b = QQ(20) ....: s = RDF(30) ....: for x in xrange(10**n): ....: s += a*b*x ....:
With Sage5.0.prealpha0+#11780:
sage: %time test(6) CPU times: user 7.25 s, sys: 0.04 s, total: 7.29 s Wall time: 7.31 s
and with the patch from here added
sage: %time test(6) CPU times: user 7.29 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 7.31 s Wall time: 7.31 s
So, yet another supporting data point!
comment:138 followup: ↓ 139 Changed 10 years ago by
Question: How urgent do you see implementing a ring buffer for TripleDict
? Namely, right now, I'd prefer to work on #12313. Since #12313 changes sage/structure/coerce_dict.pxd, it would probably be easier for me to coordinate work by postponing the ring buffer to a different ticket (or perhaps introduce it at #12313?).
What do you think?
comment:139 in reply to: ↑ 138 ; followup: ↓ 140 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Question: How urgent do you see implementing a ring buffer for
TripleDict
? Namely, right now, I'd prefer to work on #12313. Since #12313 changes sage/structure/coerce_dict.pxd, it would probably be easier for me to coordinate work by postponing the ring buffer to a different ticket (or perhaps introduce it at #12313?). What do you think?
I think we'd better close this one asap, especially now that it seems that no speed regression occur, and provide a speedup in a subsequent ticket (as you did for #9138 and #11900 or two other ones..).
Of course one could argue that we get no speed regression because we go faster when accessing the dicts, but delete actions more often, so the situation for object creations is not exactly as before, but I do not think anybody or any functions relied the lifetime of these objects (or should...).
If you do agree, I'll review the ticket tomorrow as I already planned to do and mentioned a few comments above.
comment:140 in reply to: ↑ 139 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
If you do agree, I'll review the ticket tomorrow
Thank you! Yes, I'd prefer it that way. Having the ring buffer means modifying coerce_dict.pxd, which essentially means recompiling almost the whole Sage library, and that takes almost an hour on my laptop. So, it is better for me to not switch back and forth between #715 and #12313.
comment:141 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:142 followup: ↓ 144 Changed 10 years ago by
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Ive finally read your code and have to say bravo!
However I've got one request, or rather one question.
With the current implementation, Actions always use a weak ref for the underlying set so that it can and will be garbage collected if it is not strong refed elsewhere.
You illustrate and mention that in some examples in action.pyx.
You also modify an example involving Action and MatrixSpace? to make sure that no gc occurs.
I do not think this is the right solution, I mean that the user should be able to use Action has before (and anyway it does not feel right to me that you can create something that can magically disappear).
You could also argue that nobody actually uses Actions directly (I do not for example :) ), those who do will have to be careful.
I see two solutions:
 Add a big fat warning in Action documentation (red, in a bloc, at the start, etc.)
 Implement somehow an option to choose whether to use weak ref (which will be set for the coercion model) or strong ones (set by default, so the "normal" and previous behaviour will be the default one). It basically mean passing an additional boolean somehow which will lead the construction of underlying_set, be saved and modify the behavior of underlying_set() (i.e. add () or not)
What does everybody thinks ?
comment:143 Changed 10 years ago by
Note to myself: could use type(E) rather than importing the AbelianGroupSoLong?... type as Simon did in #12313
(type(E) is not Abelian... but the memory leak can be testing with it as well)
This is should make the example more understandable.
Same remark apply for ticket about homset.
comment:144 in reply to: ↑ 142 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
With the current implementation, Actions always use a weak ref for the underlying set so that it can and will be garbage collected if it is not strong refed elsewhere.
You illustrate and mention that in some examples in action.pyx.
You also modify an example involving Action and MatrixSpace? to make sure that no gc occurs.
Or rather: That it does not occur too late.
I do not think this is the right solution, I mean that the user should be able to use Action has before (and anyway it does not feel right to me that you can create something that can magically disappear).
I believe that it is fine. Namely, what use would an action have if you do not have any other strong reference to the underlying set S?
That's to say: You forgot S and all of its elements. But what use would an action on S if you not even know to provide a single element of S?
You could also argue that nobody actually uses Actions directly (I do not for example :) ), those who do will have to be careful.
I think so.
 Add a big fat warning in Action documentation (red, in a bloc, at the start, etc.)
OK, that would need more than the short remarks in my added examples.
 Implement somehow an option to choose whether to use weak ref (which will be set for the coercion model) or strong ones (set by default, so the "normal" and previous behaviour will be the default one). It basically mean passing an additional boolean somehow which will lead the construction of underlying_set, be saved and modify the behavior of underlying_set() (i.e. add () or not)
One could store the underlying set S either by
self.S = weakref.ref(S)
resulting in a weak reference, or by
self.S = ConstantFunction(S)
resulting in a strong reference.
The advantage is that underlying_set()
could remain as it is. In particular, we don't need to make the syntax (return self.S
versus return self.S()
) depend on any any parameter used during initialisation. Note that calling a ConstantFunction
takes almost no time.
However, it might even be faster to do
if self.use_weak_references: return self.S() else: return self.S
where self.use_weak_references
is a cdef bint
parameter assigned during initialisation.
I can't test it right now.
comment:145 followup: ↓ 146 Changed 10 years ago by
I'll have some time to work on this today or friday.
Any progress on your side ?
For example, implementing my preferred solution with the "use_wek_references"? :)
comment:146 in reply to: ↑ 145 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
I'll have some time to work on this today or friday.
Any progress on your side ?
For example, implementing my preferred solution with the "use_wek_references"? :)
No. Currently, I focus on computing Ext algebras of finite dimensional path algebra quotients (that's what I get my money for), and to fix my old group cohomology spkg (which wouldn't work with the most recent version of Sage for at least three independent reasons).
comment:147 Changed 10 years ago by
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I've posted a first draft of a patch to make use of weakrefs optional (did not add doc, nor changed the test added or modified by Simon yet).
I've surely forgotten some places where action are defined etc.
After doing that, I've begun thinking that Simon is right and that Actions are too much related to the coecion system for this approch to be valid.
Maybe using weakrefs all the time, even though objects can become unusable is good enough.
comment:148 Changed 10 years ago by
Some further thoughts:
 Currently my piece of code do not take into account classes overriding get_action
 for this approach to be consistent I guess that get and discover action should return by default strong refed actions, so we should also add optional arguments to all the get and discover actions...
comment:149 Changed 10 years ago by
This last idea won't be really consistent anyway because the get_action function caches its result anyway in _action_hash...
So i'm now quite convinced that one should use weak refs all the time and that providing documentation about that is sufficient.
comment:150 Changed 10 years ago by
I'm finally trying to add some doc to this ticket and realized that in the matrix.action file you state the usual laius about underlying sets eventually getting garbage collected.
However, this is not the case in your examples, for the good reason that matrix spaces are cached.
I'll try to provide an example where matrices act on something not cached, and we won a new ticket where your constructions should be used to cache objects :)
comment:151 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:152 Changed 10 years ago by
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I've added warning blocks at the top of files modified by Simon (and fixed minor typos without introducing new ones I hope). The generated doc looks ok.
All tests pass on my computer and the numerical evidence we've gathered so far points that there is no speed regression.
If Simon or someone else could have a look at my "reviewer patch", this can be put to positive review.
Personally, I'm happy with Simon patches.
comment:153 Changed 10 years ago by
 Reviewers set to JeanPierre Flori
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
Hi JeanPierre,
your reviewer patch looks fine to me! Thank you for fixing the typos and explaining things a bit clearer!
So, I change it into "positive review", naming you as a reviewer.
comment:154 Changed 10 years ago by
Great!
And sorry for the delay. I'll try to tackle the related tickets this afternoon.
comment:155 Changed 10 years ago by
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 Status changed from positive_review to needs_work
This seems to conflict with #11599. With #11599 applied, I get doctest errors:
sage t force_lib devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx ********************************************************************** File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/devel/sagemain/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx", line 210: sage: from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_3[33]>", line 1, in <module> from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field###line 210: sage: from sage.schemes.generic.homset import SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field ImportError: cannot import name SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field ********************************************************************** File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/devel/sagemain/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx", line 211: sage: LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)] Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_3[34]>", line 1, in <module> LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)]###line 211: sage: LE = [x for x in gc.get_objects() if isinstance(x,SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field)] NameError: name 'SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field' is not defined ********************************************************************** File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/devel/sagemain/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx", line 212: sage: len(LE) # indirect doctest Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/mnt/usb1/scratch/jdemeyer/merger/sage5.0.beta8/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_3[35]>", line 1, in <module> len(LE) # indirect doctest###line 212: sage: len(LE) # indirect doctest NameError: name 'LE' is not defined **********************************************************************
comment:156 Changed 10 years ago by
!SchemeHomsetModule_abelian_variety_coordinates_field was indeed renamed to SchemeHomset_points_abelian_variety_field in #11599.
We have two solutions:
 do the same renaming in the doctests here
 use the EllipticCurve? class which provides basically the same test (that's the one I originally pointed out) and which I find more explicit.
I'll provide a patch for this second solution.
comment:157 Changed 10 years ago by
Except that the changes introduced in #11599 seem to break the work done here by reintroducing some caching...
comment:158 Changed 10 years ago by
More precisely both my proposed solution fix the import error (with EllipticCurve_finite_field for the second one) but then LE is still of length 50, whence no garbage collection occured.
comment:159 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:160 Changed 10 years ago by
Here comes a patch.
comment:161 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #9138, #11900, #11599 to #9138, #11900, #11599, #11521
 Description modified (diff)
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comment:162 followup: ↓ 163 Changed 10 years ago by
A data point that might be helpful: all doctests pass on 5.0.beta10 on 64bit Linux with qseries
trac715_one_triple_dict.patch trac_715reviewer.patch trac_715rebase_11599.patch trac11521_triple_homset.patch trac_11521reviewer.patch
What is there here that still needs review? I can confirm that the change in jpflori's reviewer patch does not affect the doctest, in the sense that the new patched doctest fails without this ticket applied but succeeds with it. Is this ready to go in?
comment:163 in reply to: ↑ 162 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to davidloeffler:
What is there here that still needs review? I can confirm that the change in jpflori's reviewer patch does not affect the doctest, in the sense that the new patched doctest fails without this ticket applied but succeeds with it. Is this ready to go in?
From my perspective, it is. But I think I am not entitled to set it to positive review, since JeanPierre did not explicitly state that he gives his OK.
comment:164 Changed 10 years ago by
Oh, that's my bad, I just wanted to be sure that Simon was ok with my rebase... (and did not want to set it back to positive review because I did the rebase myself)
Sorry about that !
comment:165 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
And I'm putting the ticket back to positive review because the three of us seem happy with it.
comment:166 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:167 Changed 10 years ago by
Bad news...
Applying trac715_one_triple_dict.patch causes Segmentation Faults on startup on 32bit systems.
$ ./sage python v c 'import sage.all'
[...] import sage.libs.singular.function_factory # precompiled from /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/libs/singular/function_factory.pyc import sage.rings.polynomial.multi_polynomial_libsingular # dynamically loaded from /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_libsingular.so /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libcsage.so(print_backtrace+0x4c)[0xf9f7c74] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libcsage.so(sigdie+0x34)[0xf9f7ce0] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libcsage.so(sage_signal_handler+0x20c)[0xf9f77d4] [0x100364] [0x10bb81d0] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/structure/coerce.so(+0xb994)[0xe6ab994] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/structure/coerce.so(+0x16654)[0xe6b6654] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/structure/element.so(__pyx_f_4sage_9structure_7element_7Element__richcmp+0x42c)[0xe735e80] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/rings/real_mpfr.so(+0xcf70)[0xd6bcf70] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(+0x90794)[0xfeb0794] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyObject_RichCompare+0x84)[0xfeb2d8c] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x2b60)[0xff1cd10] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalFrameEx+0x78a4)[0xff21a54] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyEval_EvalCodeEx+0x964)[0xff2240c] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(+0x73138)[0xfe93138] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyObject_Call+0x74)[0xfe63900] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(+0x52dac)[0xfe72dac] /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/local/lib/libpython2.7.so.1.0(PyObject_Call+0x74)[0xfe63900] [...]  Unhandled SIGSEGV: A segmentation fault occurred in Sage. This probably occurred because a *compiled* component of Sage has a bug in it and is not properly wrapped with sig_on(), sig_off(). You might want to run Sage under gdb with 'sage gdb' to debug this. Sage will now terminate.  /home/jdemeyer/silius/sage5.0.beta12gcc32/spkg/bin/sage: line 464: 16347 Segmentation fault python "$@"
comment:168 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:169 Changed 10 years ago by
Too bad... I don't have access to 32 bits cpus but I'll try to setup a VirtualBox? installation. I'll also ask William for an account on skynet.
comment:170 Changed 10 years ago by
No response from William yet, but I've finally managed to setup a Sage installation on a 32 bits installation of Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2 within a virtual machine and could reproduce the crash. Let's now investigate it.
comment:171 Changed 10 years ago by
The segfault gets raised in a call to TripleDict?.get
comment:172 Changed 10 years ago by
More precisely in the line:
cdef list bucket = <object>PyList_GET_ITEM(all_buckets, h % PyList_GET_SIZE(all_buckets))
comment:173 followup: ↓ 177 Changed 10 years ago by
Putting back the if h<0: h=h (without really thinking about it) seems to solve the problem.
comment:174 Changed 10 years ago by
The problem seems to be that the C "%" operator returns a result of the same sign as its input.
That is : 14%15 > 14, but 1%15 > 1
comment:175 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:176 Changed 10 years ago by
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Even though the current patches should be OK, I'll provide a slightly different patch after my monologue at #12313 to be more consistent.
comment:177 in reply to: ↑ 173 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Putting back the if h<0: h=h (without really thinking about it) seems to solve the problem.
Thank you for tracking that down! I tested that the Cython modulo operator works like the Python one, but apparently my mistake was that I tested the Cython modulo only on Sage integers, but not on C types.
I wonder whether there is a better way to get rid of the problem. for example: The number h is determined by converting the memory address of an object into Py_ssize_t
 which is signed. Isn't there an unsigned Py_size_t
(size_t, not ssize_t) as well? Perhaps one should try to use the unsigned type instead? In that way one would avoid the problem of a negative modulus, but would still avoid the slowdown resulting from the test "if h<0
".
I would like to test whether that works (next week, though).
comment:178 Changed 10 years ago by
Good idea about the unsigned type.
Don't worry about doing it next week, I should be able to test that tomorrow.
comment:179 Changed 10 years ago by
For info, Py_ssize_t was defined by that PEP: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep0353/ and adopted in Python 2.5
There is no Py_size_t, but I guess that using plain C size_t is ok (the point of Py_ssize_t is to be a signed stuff of the same size as size_t).
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comment:180 Changed 10 years ago by
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The current patches seem ok both on my 64 bits system and on the virtual 32 bits system running within it. At least Sage does start and computes correctly 1+1. I'm currently running "make ptest" on both system. On the latter, this will take an awfully long time.
I've also taken the liberty to modify the "reviewer" patch to fix formatting issues (and rebase patches of #12313 on top of that).
comment:181 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:182 Changed 10 years ago by
Is JeanPierre just reviewer, or author as well?
Anyway, I am now testing whether the stuff from here plus #11521 plus #12313 works for me as well, with size_t. And perhaps I'll also do some timings tomorrow. If JeanPierre is author as well, we could crossreview.
And I think I'll also create a combined patch, for each of the three tickets.
comment:183 Changed 10 years ago by
I don't mind being one of the authors as I spent some time on the ticket as well, although you clearly produced most of the code. And as you point out, it will make you more "legitimate" to set the ticket back to positive review after my last changes.
The tset finished in my 32 bits virtual machine and I got 4 failures. Not sure they are related to the tickets here. It could just be time outs and issues related to Gap. I'm rerunning make test, or rather a working euivalent command, with proper logging to check that.
Of course if someone has access to a real 32 bits system, that would be easier to test.
comment:184 Changed 10 years ago by
Rerunning the tests within the virtual machine raised (less) errors in the same files.
Namely:
 A segfault in sage/parallel/decorate.py instead of killing something because of a too long computation
 An error in sage/misc/sagedoc.py caused by a failing search_src_or_doc (?!?)
 An error in sage/misc/misc.py about an alarm not going off
 0 error in sage/structure/parent.pyx who got killed
comment:185 Changed 10 years ago by
I could reproduce the previous errors in parent.pyx and they stem from a MeomryError? and fail to evaluate the cython(...) code defining classes because of some IOError, so I'm not sure it's related to the tickets here.It might be because of the environment its run within.
comment:186 Changed 10 years ago by
For the record: With the current patches from #715 + #11521 + #12313, all tests pass. But I can not test on 32 bit, I'm afraid.
But MemoryError looks strange to me. I hope it is unrelated with these patches. Anyway, I'm certainly going to use them for my own work.
I still think it would be good to have a combined patch. Anyway, I give a positive review to JeanPierre's contribution.
comment:187 Changed 10 years ago by
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I have just attached a combined patch, created by simply folding all patches that were previously to be applied.
With only that patch, I obtain a single doctest error:
sage t force_lib "devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx" ********************************************************************** File "/mnt/local/king/SAGE/stable/sage5.0.beta13/devel/sage/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx", line 210: sage: len(LE) # indirect doctest Expected: 1 Got: 50
However, this is to be merged together with #11521, and with both tickets together the error vanishes (at least on 64 bit). So, from my point of view, it is a positive review, but we should wait for JeanPierre's results on 32 bit.
For the patchbot:
Apply trac_715_combined.patch
comment:188 Changed 10 years ago by
 Reviewers changed from JeanPierre Flori to JeanPierre Flori, Simon King
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
The tests we've run on 32 bits seem conclusive, so I'm putting this back to positive review. The errors I got care due to memory shortage within my virtual machine and were not reproduce on real systems.
comment:189 Changed 10 years ago by
I'm just confirming that applying this patch & that at #11521 to 5.0beta13 on a 32bit linux machine, all tests pass.
comment:190 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:191 Changed 10 years ago by
 Merged in set to sage5.1.beta0
 Resolution set to fixed
 Status changed from positive_review to closed
comment:192 Changed 10 years ago by
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 Milestone changed from sage5.1 to sage5.2
 Resolution fixed deleted
 Status changed from closed to new
Unmerging this due to unmerging the dependency #11521.
comment:193 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #9138, #11900, #11599, #11521 to #9138, #11900, #11599, to be merged with #11521
comment:194 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:195 Changed 10 years ago by
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comment:196 Changed 10 years ago by
 Cc nbruin added
Nils has stated on sagedevel that he was not (immediately) able to apply the patch to sage5.3.beta2. Indeed there was fuzz 2. So, I rebased the patch, it should now apply fine.
comment:197 Changed 10 years ago by
I forgot:
Apply trac_715_combined.patch
comment:198 followup: ↓ 199 Changed 10 years ago by
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When reviewing #12313 I observed a possible problem for slight leaking (see comment 125):
When all KeyRef
objects under a certain key in _refcache
get deleted, I think you're left with a {<key> : []}
entry in _refcache
. So I think in TripleDictEraser.__call__
you need an extra line:
cdef list L = _refcache[k1,k2,k3] del L[L.index(r)] if len(L)==0: del _refcache[k1,k2,k3]
or whatever is the best way to remove such things.
Similar on #12313 in MonoDictEraser.__call__
of course.
By all means, if you have a good argument why this is not necessary, revert to Positive Review (and I'd be interested in seeing the argument).
unweakreffable keys
Note that currently, any key that doesn't allow weakreffing, gets a (permanent, global) strong ref in _refcache
in the value list, keyed by their id
. That's worse than a normal dict
. A possible solution is to have a strongrefcache
on the MonoDict
or TripleDict
itself. Then at least the references disappear when the Dict itself goes.
You'd have to ensure that whenever an entry gets deleted from the MonoDict
or the TripleDict
, that any references in strongrefcache
to relevant key components get removed too. Especially for TripleDict
, this needs to happen in TripleDictEraser
too, because if any weakreffable key component gets GCd, the whole entry gets removed, so strong refs to other key components should be released.
Of course, it would be better to insist that for TripleDict
s, there should be
at least one weakreffable key component and that for MonoDict
s only
weakreffable keys are allowed. You might investigate where the offending keys
arise. One place is sage.rings.Ring.ideal (line 495):
gens = args ... first = gens[0] ... elif self.has_coerce_map_from(first): gens = first.gens() # we have a ring as argument
so if you do 4*ZZ
then this gets called with self=ZZ
and first=4
. This is
how bare integers end up being used as keys into MonoDict
. Since this gets
stored in ZZ._coerce_from_hash
it's as bad as a permanent reference (we cannot
put a weakref on 4)
[EDIT] OBSERVATION: really it looks like this is trying to detect the rare case of
R.ideal(S)
where S
is a ring/ideal coercible into R
and we're computing S*R
, the
extension of S
to an ideal of R
. Isn't it a little expensive to abuse to
coercion framework for this, expecting it to fail? Can't we use the category
framework for this and do something like
elif first in Magmas and self.has_coerce_map_from(first): gens = first.gens() # we have a ring as argument
or whatever is an appropriate test to see if first is even a parent that has a chance of having a coerce map to self?
YEP it is. In vanilla 5.0 (so that's even WITH caching)
sage: R=Rings() sage: timeit('ZZ.has_coerce_map_from(3)') 625 loops, best of 3: 15.9 µs per loop sage: timeit('3 in R') 625 loops, best of 3: 6.55 µs per loop
so we should definitely test the category of the element. Question is: which
category? Ideals are not in Rings()
(which are unitary rings), but they are in
CommutativeAdditiveMonoids?(). Creation of ideals still works if this works,
though:
sage: ZZ.has_coerce_map_from(3*ZZ) False
so I'm not so sure if that branch ever essentially gets used.
This is a separate issue, continued on #13374.
The storing happens in sage.structure.parent (line 1990):
if (mor is not None) or _may_cache_none(self, S, "coerce"): self._coerce_from_hash[S] = mor
perhaps we should also disallow caching None if S is not weakreffable. Since
valid parents should always be weakreffable, we could perhaps just return None
for has_coerce_map_from
for nonweakreffable S
.
comment:199 in reply to: ↑ 198 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
When reviewing #12313 I observed a possible problem for slight leaking ... By all means, if you have a good argument why this is not necessary, revert to Positive Review (and I'd be interested in seeing the argument).
Yes, it is a potential leak. The argument would be:
 If all items indexed by a certain key triple are gone, we are left with three size_t and with one pointer to an empty list, that will not be collected; that's just a few bytes.
 It is (I believe) quite likely that the same key triple will be used again. Hence, the few bytes will actually be used again.
 As long as it is not noticeable in a practical computation, I am not sure if it is a good idea to slow deallocation down with a test "if len(L)==0".
OK, that is not more than a heuristical argument. The patch would allow a (I believe) very small leak, for the sake of a (probably) very small speedup.
unweakreffable keys
Note that currently, any key that doesn't allow weakreffing, gets a (permanent, global) strong ref in
_refcache
in the value list, keyed by theirid
. That's worse than a normaldict
. A possible solution is to have astrongrefcache
on theMonoDict
orTripleDict
itself. Then at least the references disappear when the Dict itself goes.
Hm. It is quite a long time ago that I wrote the code, so I need some time to reconstruct what I thought.
The data of a TripleDict
are stored in buckets. The buckets just provide memory locations of the keys. This is in order to make access to the data very fast: Otherwise, one would have to do special cases for keys that are weakrefable and those that are not. By consequence, the weak references (with callback function) to the keys need to be stored somewhere else: in _refcache. In that way, items whose keys got garbage collected can be removed from cache.
But why did I put strong references in _refcache as well? Let (k1,k2,k3) be a key, and assume that k1 is not weakrefable. Assume further that no external reference to k1 is left, but there are external strong references to k2 and k3. If I would not store a strong reference to k1 in _refcache, then k1 would be garbage collected. Since we do not have a weak reference with callback for k1 and since k2 and k3 can not be collected, the item for (k1,k2,k3) remains in the TripleDict
. Hence, when iterating over the items (and there is existing code that does iterate over the items!), we would meet a reference to k1 after it was garbage collected. That means a segfault occurs.
In other words: If k2 and k3 are not collectable and k1 can not be weakrefed, then we must ensure that k1 stays alive. The solution is to keep a strong reference to k1 in _refcache.
But now I wonder: Wouldn't it be better to have _refcache not as a global dictionary, but have a separate _refcache for each TripleDict
, so that it gets collected if the TripleDict
gets collected? Is that your suggestion?
I think this would be worth trying.
You'd have to ensure that whenever an entry gets deleted from the
MonoDict
or theTripleDict
, that any references instrongrefcache
to relevant key components get removed too. Especially forTripleDict
, this needs to happen inTripleDictEraser
too, because if any weakreffable key component gets GCd, the whole entry gets removed, so strong refs to other key components should be released.
As I have pointed out, it is important that weak or strong references are stored in _refcache. But perhaps the items in _refcache should be triples of weak or strong references? If I am not mistaken, if (k1,k2,k3) is a key, then it is uniquely determined by (id(k1),id(k2),id(k3)). We store weak references (if possible) that provide (id(k1),id(k2),id(k3)). Hence, the callback function of the weak reference can simply delete this entry.
Conclusion
 I will try if the
"if len(L)==0"
test leads to a slowdown  I will try to replace the global _refcache by a dictionary that is local to each
TripleDict
.  I will store the references provided by _refcache in a different form, so that they can more easily be deleted.
comment:200 Changed 10 years ago by
Too bad. I tried to add the following to the old patch:

sage/structure/coerce_dict.pxd
diff git a/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pxd b/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pxd
a b 1 1 cdef class TripleDict: 2 2 cdef Py_ssize_t _size 3 3 cdef buckets 4 cdef dict _refcache 4 5 cdef double threshold 5 6 cdef TripleDictEraser eraser 6 7 cdef get(self, object k1, object k2, object k3) 
sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx
diff git a/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx b/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx
a b 18 18 # removing dead references from the cache 19 19 ############################################ 20 20 21 cdef dict _refcache = {}22 23 21 cdef class TripleDictEraser: 24 22 """ 25 23 Erases items from a :class:`TripleDict` when a weak reference becomes … … 108 106 del bucket[i:i+4] 109 107 self.D._size = 1 110 108 break 111 cdef list L = _refcache[k1,k2,k3] 112 del L[L.index(r)] 109 try: 110 self.D._refcache.__delitem__((k1,k2,k3)) 111 except KeyError: 112 pass 113 113 114 114 cdef class TripleDict: 115 115 """ … … 432 432 PyList_Append(bucket, h3) 433 433 PyList_Append(bucket, value) 434 434 try: 435 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1 , h2, h3), []), 436 KeyedRef(k1,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 435 ref1 = KeyedRef(k1,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 437 436 except TypeError: 438 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1, h2, h3), []), k1)437 ref1 = k1 439 438 if k2 is not k1: 440 439 try: 441 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1 , h2, h3), []), 442 KeyedRef(k2,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 440 ref2 = KeyedRef(k2,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 443 441 except TypeError: 444 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1, h2, h3), []), k2) 445 if k3 is not k1 and k3 is not k2: 442 ref2 = k2 443 else: 444 ref2 = None 445 if k3 is not k2 or k3 is not k1: 446 446 try: 447 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1 , h2, h3), []), 448 KeyedRef(k3,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 447 ref3 = KeyedRef(k3,self.eraser,(h1, h2, h3))) 449 448 except TypeError: 450 PyList_Append(_refcache.setdefault((h1, h2, h3), []),k3) 449 ref3 = k3 450 else: 451 ref3 = None 452 self._refcache[h1,h2,h3] = (ref1,ref2,ref3) 451 453 self._size += 1 452 454 453 455 def __delitem__(self, k):
However, with the resulting code, the memory leak discussed here reappears!
So far, I can only speculate why that has happened. It could be that moving _refcache into the TripleDict
created a reference cycle (namely, TripleDict
will occur as attribute to parents, and the parents occur as references in _refcache). If a __del__
method is involved, the items in the reference cycle can't be collected.
If this holds true, then one has to have the necessary references in an external dictionary. But perhaps one can still ensure that the data associated with one TripleDict
will be removed, as soon as the TripleDict
gets garbage collected.
comment:201 Changed 10 years ago by
Hm. I tried the alternative idea sketched in the previous post, but the leak is still there. Very strange.
comment:202 Changed 10 years ago by
Aaaah! Now I see! The doc test I am struggling with is also failing, if only the old patch is applied. Apparently I forgot that #11521 needs to be applied as well.
comment:203 Changed 10 years ago by
Yessss! #11521 was missing.
OK. I am now testing the new patch, and will hopefully be able to post it soon.
comment:204 followup: ↓ 206 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
I have attached a new patch, that changes the way how references are being kept track of.
First of all, as I have explained in my long post today, it is important for speed that the buckets of TripleDict
only keep track of the memory locations of the keys. Hence, references (weak or strong, depending on the type of keys) need to be stored somewhere else.
Previously, there was a global dictionary, that was shared by all TripleDicts
. That probably was a bad idea, for the reasons you pointed out. Now, the references are stored in a dictionary that is an attribute of each TripleDict
.
That has several advantages: In a single TripleDict
, each key triple only occurs once. Hence, we don't need to store the references in a list addressed by a triple of memory locations, that are popped off the list when being garbage collected.
Instead, each triple of memory locations points to exactly one triple of references. The triple of references is popped off the dictionary as soon as any weakrefed member of the key triple was garbage collected. Note that the if len(L)==0:
bit is not needed.
Another advantage: If the TripleDict
is deallocated, then the strong references associated with the TripleDict
will vanish as well, which wouldn't have been the case with the old code.
Currently, there is only one bad situation I can think of: Let P be an object that can not be weakrefed, has a TripleDict
T as an attribute, is used as a key in T, and has a __del__
method. Then the reference cycle P>T>T._refcache>P will keep P alive. However, if any of the four assumptions does not hold, then P can be garbage collected. I think we can take that risk.
Is there any question of yours that I forgot to address?
I didn't do timings, but I've successfully run the doc tests.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch #11521
comment:205 Changed 10 years ago by
The patch bot seems to have a problem. It already times out when testing whether the dependencies are applied!
comment:206 in reply to: ↑ 204 Changed 10 years ago by
Excellent! Thank you for the great work. This is incredibly important for so many parts of sage.
Previously, there was a global dictionary, that was shared by all
TripleDicts
. That probably was a bad idea, for the reasons you pointed out. Now, the references are stored in a dictionary that is an attribute of eachTripleDict
.
Excellent! I agree with your assessment. I think this addresses all my concerns. I think this is a useful data structure in general, so can we formalize its behaviour in the documentation? (rewrite as you see fit)
TripleDict is a structure like WeakKeyDictionary, optimized for lookup speed. Keys consist of a triple (k1,k2,k3) and are looked up by identity rather than equality. The keys are stored by weakrefs if possible. If any one of the components k1,k2,k3 gets garbage collected, then the entry is removed from the TripleDict. Key components that do not allow for weakrefs are stored via a normal refcounted reference. That means that any entry stored using a triple (k1,k2,k3) with none of the k1,k2,k3 weakreffable behaves as an entry in a normal dictionary, so its existence in TripleDict prevents it from being garbage collected.
Another advantage: If the
TripleDict
is deallocated, then the strong references associated with theTripleDict
will vanish as well, which wouldn't have been the case with the old code.
AND if an entry gets deleted/garbage collected due to a weakreffed key component disappearing, we also deref any strongly reffed key components! So I think we never behave worse than a normal dict in terms of keeping objects alive.
Currently, there is only one bad situation I can think of: Let P be an object that can not be weakrefed, has a
TripleDict
T as an attribute, is used as a key in T, and has a__del__
method. Then the reference cycle P>T>T._refcache>P will keep P alive.
I think we're safe for that. There are very few __del__
definitions in the
sage library and they're all associated with interfacetype objects. And those
are plain python classes anyway, so they are weakreffable.
comment:207 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
I added sage.structure.coerce_dict to the reference manual. I took a slight modification of the text you suggested to document the purpose of that module. Note that the text also refers to #11521, but this should be fine, as #715 and #11521 are mutually dependent, hence, will be merged together.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_specification.patch #11521
comment:208 Changed 10 years ago by
 Reviewers changed from JeanPierre Flori, Simon King to JeanPierre Flori, Simon King, Nils Bruin
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
I'm happy. Positive review. I think the bot gets confused and tries to apply the patches in the wrong order.
comment:209 Changed 10 years ago by
 Milestone changed from sagepending to sage5.4
comment:210 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from positive_review to needs_work
 Work issues set to Fix __delitem__
On #12313, I found that the TripleDict.__delitem__
method needs to be fixed, because it does currently not update the _refcache
dictionary. So, I'd say I fix this here, which means that it needs work and needs another review.
comment:211 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
 Work issues Fix __delitem__ deleted
comment:212 Changed 10 years ago by
I had to change one detail: If a nonexisting item is deleted, then with the old patch version the resulting key error would not name the key but the memory address of the key. Fixed.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_specification.patch #11521
comment:213 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
 Work issues set to test activity of weak references if addresses coincide
comment:214 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
 Work issues test activity of weak references if addresses coincide deleted
OK, the second patch is updated again. Changes: The get()
method now tests whether the stored weak references to the keys are still active, before returning a value.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_specification.patch #11521
comment:215 Changed 10 years ago by
I have added a patch that changes a couple of problems discussed at #12313. In particular
 Remove
TripleDictIter
and replace it by using the new "yield" statement in Cython.  Test whether the references are valid, before setting an item.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:216 Changed 10 years ago by
... and in addition, set 0.7 as default threshold.
comment:217 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
comment:218 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
make ptest did only result in few errors, no segfault! So, it needs work for now, but it is close to success.
Changed 10 years ago by
Fix some issues: Test validity of references when setting items; use the new "yield" statement in Cython for iteration.
comment:219 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
Now it should work! Needs review  this time for real...
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:220 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
safer.patch: sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx
# This is to cope with a potential racing condition  if garbage # collection and weakref callback happens right between the # "if (isinstance(r1,..." and the "del", then the previously # existing entry might already be gone.
No, there is no such racing condition. You are holding references
k1,k2,k3
. You have just looked up the weakreference r1,r2,r3
to these keys
and checked that the weakrefs are still alive (and hence that it's not the case
that one of the ki
is just a new element that happens to have the same id as a
nowdeceased previous key element in the dict).
Since you are holding references, they cannot die in between, so I don't think
the
del self._refcache[<size_t><void *>k1,<size_t><void *>k2,<size_t><void *>k3]
needs to be quarded.
It won't hurt, though, and this code will be optimized anyway, so no effect on the review.
Concerning next_odd_prime
: I'm pretty sure we're keeping a list of primes
somewhere in sage. We might want to look in there rather than have this snippet
here. Again, not hurtful to do it this way.
trac_715_specification.patch: One line fuzz in application. Do we care?
comment:221 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from positive_review to needs_work
There are sporadic segfaults found by some (not all) patchbots on #11370 and #12876 that seem to be related with the weak caching bits.
Here, the cdef attribute sage.categories.action.Action.S
(that's for keeping the underlying set of the action) is turned into a weak reference to the underlying set. Today, I found that there might be an interference with old code in sage/rings/morphism.pyx, namely:
cdef class RingHomomorphism(RingMap): def __init__(self, R, S): """ Create a lifting ring map. EXAMPLES:: sage: f = Zmod(8).lift() # indirect doctest sage: f(3) 3 sage: type(f(3)) <type 'sage.rings.integer.Integer'> sage: type(f) <type 'sage.rings.morphism.RingMap_lift'> """ from sage.categories.sets_cat import Sets H = R.Hom(S, Sets()) RingMap.__init__(self, H) self.S = S # for efficiency try: S._coerce_(R(0).lift()) except TypeError: raise TypeError, "No natural lift map" cdef _update_slots(self, _slots): self.S = _slots['S'] Morphism._update_slots(self, _slots) cdef _extra_slots(self, _slots): _slots['S'] = self.S return Morphism._extra_slots(self, _slots)
Hence, RingHomomorphism
uses the S attribute as well, but differently. And aren't there actions that are ring homomorphisms?
I think it is worth trying to rename the S
attribute of Action. I put it to "needs work", because I doubt that flaky segfaults are acceptable.
comment:222 Changed 10 years ago by
The main patch is updated, renaming S into US (for Underlying Set  I certainly don't want to blame the US if it doesn't work). Let us see whether stuff at #13370 and #12876 will work now...
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:223 Changed 10 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
comment:224 followup: ↓ 225 Changed 10 years ago by
Applying #715 and #11521 gives on OS X 10.6 x86_64:
bsd:sage5.4.beta0 jdemeyer$ ./sage t devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx sage t "devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" The doctested process was killed by signal 11 [14.3 s]  The following tests failed: sage t "devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" # Killed/crashed Total time for all tests: 14.3 seconds
This is the only system where this happens. When running the test with verbose
, the test actually passes.
comment:225 in reply to: ↑ 224 ; followup: ↓ 226 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
Applying #715 and #11521 gives on OS X 10.6 x86_64:
bsd:sage5.4.beta0 jdemeyer$ ./sage t devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx sage t "devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" The doctested process was killed by signal 11 [14.3 s]  The following tests failed: sage t "devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" # Killed/crashed Total time for all tests: 14.3 secondsThis is the only system where this happens.
But that means: We finally have a system where it happens with #715+#11521 only! So far, we only had Volker's patchbot, which produced segfaults when other patches were applied on top of #11521.
Hence, hope increases.
When running the test with
verbose
, the test actually passes.
Did it really fully pass and you came back to your shell prompt, or did the tests pass and there was a segfault when Sage shuts down?
Can you produce a backtrace, say, by using gdb? Or can you give me access to the machine, so that I can do some experiments?
Best regards, Simon
comment:226 in reply to: ↑ 225 ; followup: ↓ 227 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Did it really fully pass and you came back to your shell prompt, or did the tests pass and there was a segfault when Sage shuts down?
It really worked:
715 tests in 72 items. 715 passed and 0 failed. Test passed. [13.6 s]  All tests passed! Total time for all tests: 13.6 seconds
Can you produce a backtrace, say, by using gdb?
Under gdb, there is no crash. There is a doctest failure though:
********************************************************************** File "/Users/jdemeyer/sage5.4.beta0/devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx", line 799, in __main__.example_17 Failed example: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(Integer(1),Integer(100)), Integer(4))###line 704:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,1 00), 4) Expected nothing Got: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers... ********************************************************************** File "/Users/jdemeyer/sage5.4.beta0/devel/sage/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx", line 800, in __main__.example_17 Failed example: oddprime_factors.cache[(Integer(25),),()]###line 705:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/jdemeyer/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/Users/jdemeyer/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/Users/jdemeyer/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_17[4]>", line 1, in <module> oddprime_factors.cache[(Integer(25),),()]###line 705:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] KeyError: ((25,), ())
Or can you give me access to the machine, so that I can do some experiments?
This is William's bsd.math
machine, ask him.
comment:227 in reply to: ↑ 226 ; followups: ↓ 228 ↓ 229 ↓ 232 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
Under gdb, there is no crash. There is a doctest failure though:
Interesting. Isn't gdb supposed to just watch, and not interfere with, the computations?
This is William's
bsd.math
machine, ask him.
Too bad. I already tested 5.3.rc1 on bsd.math, and it worked fine. No segfault. Perhaps I should retry with 5.4.beta0, then?
comment:228 in reply to: ↑ 227 ; followup: ↓ 231 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:229 in reply to: ↑ 227 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Interesting. Isn't gdb supposed to just watch, and not interfere with, the computations?
I honestly don't know how gdb works and certainly not how it works within doctesting (sage t gdb
). Note that this is on OS X and gdb
might work slightly different compared to Linux.
comment:230 Changed 10 years ago by
I should also clarify that the doctest crash is completely reproducible: it really happens every time.
comment:231 in reply to: ↑ 228 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:232 in reply to: ↑ 227 ; followup: ↓ 233 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Interesting. Isn't gdb supposed to just watch, and not interfere with, the computations?
Yes, but:
 gdb installs a bag full of signal handlers (so you can press CtrlC and get to the gdb prompt, e.g.)
 gdb disables ASLR by default, so all memory locations are reproducible (but different from running without gdb).
comment:233 in reply to: ↑ 232 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
 gdb disables ASLR by default, so all memory locations are reproducible (but different from running without gdb).
OK, that is likely to be a problem here.
comment:234 followup: ↓ 239 Changed 10 years ago by
Hooray! Finally I get
bash3.2$ ../../sage t sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" The doctested process was killed by signal 11 [44.1 s]  The following tests failed: sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" # Killed/crashed Total time for all tests: 44.1 seconds
Why is it so much faster for you, Jeroen?
comment:235 Changed 10 years ago by
What I don't understand: With gdb, one gets an error, reportedly in line 800. But line 800 is
sage: J.groebner_basis.clear_cache()
Nothing like
Failed example: oddprime_factors.cache[(Integer(25),),()]###line 705:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] Exception raised:
comment:236 Changed 10 years ago by
I tried to install some valgrind spkg on bsd.math, but it failed.
comment:237 followup: ↓ 238 Changed 10 years ago by
Valgrind cannot be build with the FSF GCC on OS X (see the ticket I pointed to recently about Valgrind, don't remember where). IIRC, that's what Sage tries to do, so it fails... So you should use a system wide valgrind or force the use of the system wide compiler to build the spkg.
comment:238 in reply to: ↑ 237 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Valgrind cannot be build with the FSF GCC on OS X (see the ticket I pointed to recently about Valgrind, don't remember where). IIRC, that's what Sage tries to do, so it fails... So you should use a system wide valgrind or force the use of the system wide compiler to build the spkg.
Thank you!
Next attempt: ulimit c unlimited.
However, even though there still was a signal 11, no core dump was written. So, question to the experts: How can I make bsd.math write a core dump of the failing test?
comment:239 in reply to: ↑ 234 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Hooray!
Hooray because you get a Segmentation Fault, there are a lot of tickets that should make you happy then :)
Why is it so much faster for you, Jeroen?
Caching (the disk kind) perhaps?
comment:240 followup: ↓ 241 Changed 10 years ago by
Gosh, it is so frustrating to hunt that Heisenbug!!
 Test the file  there is a segfault, but it doesn't give any clue of what is happening.
 Test the file with gdb  the segfault is gone, but a "normal" error occurs, that is rather odd because it is reported in the wrong line of the file.
 Try ulimit c unlimited  there is a segfault, but no core dump is written.
 Try verbose tests  all tests pass.
 What I just did: Start each test with a few lines that write something into a log file. Hence, it isn't exactly verbose, but should give some idea in what test the segfault occurs. But alas  all tests pass.
 Valgrind doesn't seem to be available on bsd.math,
Anything else I could try? So far, I only see the option to try to understand why using gdb results in an error in a very innocentlooking test that should actually use a strong cache.
comment:241 in reply to: ↑ 240 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
 Test the file  there is a segfault, but it doesn't give any clue of what is happening.
I'm pretty sure that's because sagedoctest redirects the output somewhere. I'm sure the SIGSEGV causes the usual traceback upon sage crashing. So I'd start breaking into the sagedoctest script and change little things there, hoping to not upset the subtle conditions required to trigger the fault. Indeed
local/bin/sagedoctest:801
if verbose or gdb or memcheck or massif or cachegrind: import subprocess proc = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True) while time.time()tm <= TIMEOUT and proc.poll() == None: time.sleep(0.1) if time.time()tm >=TIMEOUT: os.kill(proc.pid, 9) print "*** *** Error: TIMED OUT! PROCESS KILLED! *** ***" e = proc.poll() else: outf = tempfile.NamedTemporaryFile() import subprocess proc = subprocess.Popen(cmd, shell=True, \ stdout=outf.file.fileno(), stderr = outf.file.fileno()) while time.time()tm <= TIMEOUT and proc.poll() == None: time.sleep(0.1) if time.time()tm >=TIMEOUT: os.kill(proc.pid, 9) print "*** *** Error: TIMED OUT! PROCESS KILLED! *** ***" outf.file.seek(0) out = outf.read() e = proc.poll()
The verbose parameter does get written into the file that cmd
executes, so it
has effect there as well. You could also just extract that temporary file and
hack on that.
Of course, this all only might help you to figure out where the SEGV occurs, which may or may not be related to the real culprit.
comment:242 followup: ↓ 245 Changed 10 years ago by
Concerning the oddity that there is an error (but no segfault) with gdb: It says
File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/devel/sagemain/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx", line 799, in __main__.example_17 Failed example: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(Integer(1),Integer(100)), Integer(4))###line 704:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100), 4) Expected nothing Got: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers...
Why does "interrupted system call" mean? The failing function appears to be the cached version of
def oddprime_factors(n): l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] return len(l)
What system call is involved here?
comment:243 Changed 10 years ago by
PS: When I comment out the "oddprime_factors" test, running sage t gdb
does not report any error  and it also makes the segfault in sage t
go away!
Hence, it seems that the problem really is due to the seemingly harmless test of the "precompute" method.
comment:244 Changed 10 years ago by
If the test is
sage: @cached_function ... def oddprime_factors(n): ... l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ... return len(l) sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,99), 4) sage: oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] 1
then sage t
passes. A precomputation in range(1,90)
or range(1,50)
or range(2,100)
works as well. But if the precomputation runs in range(1,100)
or range(2,101)
or range(1,110)
, then there is signal 11.
Hence, it really seems that we located the culprit  although I have no idea whatsoever as to what is happening here. It seems that there is no error, if we precompute at most 98 values, but if we have 99 or more precomputed values then there is signal 11.
Any idea what to try next?
comment:245 in reply to: ↑ 242 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Why does "interrupted system call" mean?
It means, quite literally, that a system call got interrupted by a signal. If a system call (for example some file I/O operation) gets interrupted by a signal, then that system call might fail with "interrupted system call", even if the signal was properly handled by the application. Note the use of "might", there is a long discussion in the signal(7)
man page explaining to which calls this applies.
comment:246 Changed 10 years ago by
By inserting a print statement into weakref.KeyedRef.__init__
and running the test in the command line, I found that the test does not involve keyed weak references.
Since the second argument to the precompute
method gives the number of used parallel processes, I thought for a moment that parallelity could be the problem, but changing the test into
sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,110), 1)
did not make signal 11 vanish.
comment:247 followup: ↓ 248 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Got:
[Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers...
This sounds more like a bug in the doctest framework. I imagine the worker process segfaults, and the doctesting process is in a blocking system call when the SIGCHLD
arrives. The doctesting framework should check the EINTR
result and retry but doesn't.
comment:248 in reply to: ↑ 247 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
Replying to SimonKing:
Got:
[Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers...
This sounds more like a bug in the doctest framework. I imagine the worker process segfaults, and the doctesting process is in a blocking system call when the
SIGCHLD
arrives. The doctesting framework should check theEINTR
result and retry but doesn't.
... which sounds like this known problem or its duplicate.
comment:249 followup: ↓ 250 Changed 10 years ago by
Recall that some of the patchbots report sporadic problems for #13370 or #12876 as well  and at least in the case of #12876, it is seemingly a similar problem:
sage t force_lib devel/sage12876/sage/rings/polynomial/infinite_polynomial_ring.py The doctested process was killed by signal 11
Signal 11, same signal as here.
I wonder: Does the patchbot uses some UniqueRepresentation
to represent a tester? That might be a problem if it is only weakly cached.
comment:250 in reply to: ↑ 249 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Recall that some of the patchbots report sporadic problems for #13370 or #12876 as well  and at least in the case of #12876, it is seemingly a similar problem:
In an error of an earlier version of #13370 on Volker's patchbot, too:
sage t force_lib devel/sage13370/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_real_mpfr_dense.pyx The doctested process was killed by signal 11
The big question is: How can we deal with that problem?
comment:251 Changed 10 years ago by
It seems to me that it is not a side effect. Namely, I put
class Foo: def bar(self): """ Cache values for a number of inputs. Do the computation in parallel, and only bother to compute values that we haven't already cached. EXAMPLES:: sage: @cached_function ... def oddprime_factors(n): ... l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ... return len(l) sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100), 4) sage: oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] 1 """ pass
into a file and run sage t
on it. All tests pass  BUT running sage t gdb
, I get the same error as in cachefunc.pyx, where the test above is just one among many other tests:
Failed example: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(Integer(1),Integer(100)), Integer(4))###line 14:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100), 4) Expected nothing Got: [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers... ********************************************************************** File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/devel/sagemain/sage/misc/blubb.py", line ?, in __main__.example_0 Failed example: oddprime_factors.cache[(Integer(25),),()]###line 15:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_0[4]>", line 1, in <module> oddprime_factors.cache[(Integer(25),),()]###line 15:_sage_ >>> oddprime_factors.cache[(25,),()] KeyError: ((25,), ())
The "Killing any remaining workers" comes from a parallel computation, isn't it? The precompute()
method is parallel. Let us see whether it also fails in an interactive session under gdb!
comment:252 Changed 10 years ago by
Yes, it even works (i.e. reproduces the error) interactively, provided one runs "sage gdb"!
sage: @cached_function ....: def oddprime_factors(n): ....: l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ....: return len(l) ....: sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100), 4) [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers... sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100), 6) [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers... sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100)) [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers... sage: len(oddprime_factors.cache) 0
Interestingly, using range(1,99)
(which made the problem vanish in the doctest) does not work interactively.
comment:253 Changed 10 years ago by
I tried inserting print statements into sage.parallel.use_fork.p_iter_fork._subprocess.
The print statements are executed when successfully running the example in an interactive session.
They are not executed when running it interactively under gdb. Hence, _subprocess (which contains the invalidation of pexpect interfaces) is not involved in the interactive error under gdb.
They are executed when running the doctests. The test then fails (because of the unexpected print statements), but there is no signal 11.
What could that mean? Perhaps we actually have two independent problems in the same example: One appears in a gdb'ed interactive session and can be fixed with #13437. The other appears with sage t
and remains a mystery.
comment:254 Changed 10 years ago by
Perhaps I stand corrected. I inserted print statement in a different location, one of them directly before calling _subprocess. This statement is printed, then interrupted system call strikes.
comment:255 Changed 10 years ago by
I forgot that _subprocess redirects stdout. Sorry for the noise.
comment:256 followup: ↓ 257 Changed 10 years ago by
I think now I located the problem exposed by a gdb'ed interactive session. When not redirecting stdout, a print statement before the last line of the "finally:" clause of _subprocess is executed. But a print statement inserted right after the call to self._subprocess(f, dir, v[0])
in p_iter_fork.__call__
is not executed.
There is only one line of code between the executed and the notexecuted print statements: The last line of _subprocess
' "finally:" clause, namely
os._exit(0)
Question to the experts: What could possible go wrong in os._exit(0)
?
comment:257 in reply to: ↑ 256 ; followup: ↓ 260 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
There is only one line of code between the executed and the notexecuted print statements: The last line of
_subprocess
' "finally:" clause, namelyos._exit(0)Question to the experts: What could possible go wrong in
os._exit(0)
?
Oh dear. That sounds like _subprocess
is not returning at all! Let's see what the documentation says:
os._exit(n) Exit the process with status n, without calling cleanup handlers, flushing stdio buffers, etc.
Could it be we found a bug in the OSX kernel? A system call that doesn't return?
More seriously, it seems rather reassuring that the statement that comes after you tell the process to quit, doesn't get executed. It seems to me you've just ruled out it's not the child that SEGVing  it's the parent.
In fact, we could have known that. In the doctest of sage.parallel.decorate.Fork
there is an explicit test that shows a child can segfault with no detrimental effect (If you instrument sagedoctest
to not hide stderr, it's scary to see the backtrace come by, but the doctest passes without problem). The fact that the doctest framework can get its hand on the "11" exit code shows it's the parent that generates it. Why do you think this happens due to parallel at all? Under gdb, the test does not segfault, so you're looking at different behaviour. I don't think parallel is implicated in this at all.
Really, strip away the doctesting layer! If you read sagedoctest
, you'll see it produces a straight python file that it then executes straight using python, with IO all redirected. Get that file and run it directly, without redirecting IO. Setting verbose
doesn't just change the IO redirection in sagedoctest
. It also gets written into that file and hence can influence behaviour there. So with sage t
and sage t verbose
you're really running different code. You want the code that sage t
generates with the IO redirection that sage t verbose
does. At that point you might as well just get sage t
out of the way completely.
If you want to help people in the future, patch sage t
to have a flag keep
, to not throw away any of the temporary files it produces, so that you can pick through the remainders.
Using os.exit
versus os._exit
: I can see why one might have thought that's a good idea. We got what we came for (the function got executed and the result is stored in an .sobj
 this should really be communicated via a pipe to the parent, not via a temporary file), so why risk fouling it up by doing more just to exit? However, if someone uses this for sideeffects (write to some shared file) it could be the buffers don't get flushed. On the other hand, code is executing in parallel here (that's the point), so one would probably already run into problems.
comment:258 followup: ↓ 261 Changed 10 years ago by
I am not totally sure if I understand what you mean: You say it would be interesting to see the temporary file that is created by sage t
? Then: see failing_test_under_gdb.py.
The original file was as in comment:251. It passes when running sage t
, but fails when running sage t gdb
.
comment:259 Changed 10 years ago by
Since the attachments changed, a message for the patchbots:
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:260 in reply to: ↑ 257 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Using
os.exit
versusos._exit
: I can see why one might have thought that's a good idea. We got what we came for (the function got executed and the result is stored in an.sobj
 this should really be communicated via a pipe to the parent, not via a temporary file), so why risk fouling it up by doing more just to exit? However, if someone uses this for sideeffects (write to some shared file) it could be the buffers don't get flushed. On the other hand, code is executing in parallel here (that's the point), so one would probably already run into problems.
Changing os._exit
into os.exit
won't work. The example oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,99))
seems to hang with that change.
comment:261 in reply to: ↑ 258 ; followups: ↓ 263 ↓ 264 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
I am not totally sure if I understand what you mean: You say it would be interesting to see the temporary file that is created by
sage t
? Then: see failing_test_under_gdb.py.The original file was as in comment:251. It passes when running
sage t
, but fails when runningsage t gdb
.
But doctesting doesn't run it through sage
. It executes python failing_test_under_gdb.py
. if I'm not mistaken. If you can run the exact same command and input file that sage t
runs and not get a segv where sage t
does, there is something really strange. I guess you might want to control for environment variables as well, but other than that there should really not be a difference.
comment:262 Changed 10 years ago by
The forked children inherit the parent atexit
handlers, this is why we get out with os._exit
. Calling the regular os.exit
might delete the parent's temp files etc.
comment:263 in reply to: ↑ 261 ; followup: ↓ 265 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to SimonKing:
I am not totally sure if I understand what you mean: You say it would be interesting to see the temporary file that is created by
sage t
? Then: see failing_test_under_gdb.py.
That's not the entire file, so even if you run this through python and not get a SEGV, that doesn't show anything. Since the GDB problem and SEGV are likely independent, you may well have cut out the doctest that generates the SEGV (or changed the memory conditions under which it runs).
comment:264 in reply to: ↑ 261 ; followup: ↓ 266 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
But doctesting doesn't run it through
sage
. It executespython failing_test_under_gdb.py
. if I'm not mistaken. If you can run the exact same command and input file thatsage t
runs and not get a segv wheresage t
does, there is something really strange. I guess you might want to control for environment variables as well, but other than that there should really not be a difference.
bash3.2$ ../../sage python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py
So, running it in pure python works, of course.
According to the sagedoctest script, I thought that the command to run the test under gdb is as follows:
bash3.2$ gdb args ../../sage python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py GNU gdb 6.3.5020050815 (Apple version gdb1515) (Sat Jan 15 08:33:48 UTC 2011) Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "x86_64appledarwin"..."/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/sage": not in executable format: File format not recognized (gdb) r Starting program: No executable file specified. Use the "file" or "execfile" command.
So, it didn't work.
What is the command to run the test in python under gdb?
comment:265 in reply to: ↑ 263 ; followup: ↓ 268 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to SimonKing:
I am not totally sure if I understand what you mean: You say it would be interesting to see the temporary file that is created by
sage t
? Then: see failing_test_under_gdb.py.That's not the entire file
Why do you think so? It is the temporary file created by sagedoctest. I had modified sagedoctest so that the location of the temporary file is shown, instead of deleting the file  hence, I could copy it and post it here.
comment:266 in reply to: ↑ 264 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
bash3.2$ gdb args ../../sage python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py ...
Should have been
bash3.2$ gdb args ../../local/bin/python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py
However, running the test won't work:
(gdb) r Starting program: /scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/bin/python t /Users/SimonKing/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py Reading symbols for shared libraries .++++..... done Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Users/SimonKing/SAGE/work/signal11/my_test_86673.py", line 6, in <module> from sage.all_cmdline import *; File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/all_cmdline.py", line 14, in <module> from sage.all import * File "/scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/all.py", line 47, in <module> raise RuntimeError("To use the Sage libraries, set the environment variable SAGE_ROOT to the Sage build directory and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to $SAGE_ROOT/local/lib") RuntimeError: To use the Sage libraries, set the environment variable SAGE_ROOT to the Sage build directory and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to $SAGE_ROOT/local/lib Program exited with code 01. (gdb)
So, it needs to be executed inside a Sage shell  but then the test fails in the exactly same way as with sage t, which shouldn't be a surprise.
comment:267 Changed 10 years ago by
PS: Setting SAGE_ROOT and LD_LIBRARY_PATH as indicated by the error message did not help.
comment:268 in reply to: ↑ 265 ; followup: ↓ 269 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Why do you think so? It is the temporary file created by sagedoctest. I had modified sagedoctest so that the location of the temporary file is shown, instead of deleting the file  hence, I could copy it and post it here.
I did the same but got a bigger file (I'm not attaching it because with the hardcoded paths it's useless, so you have to extract it yourself anyway)
duke sage/5.3rc1$ wc failing_test_under_gdb.py 96 283 3714 failing_test_under_gdb.py duke sage/5.3rc1$ wc cachefunc_3730.py 2592 10019 99307 cachefunc_3730.py
so I suspect that you edited it. However, if your shorter file is still capable of segfaulting, that's fine, of course.
As you remark, it should be run in a sage shell:
duke sage/5.3rc1$ ./sage sh Starting subshell with Sage environment variables set. Don't forget to exit when you are done. Beware: * Do not do anything with other copies of Sage on your system. * Do not use this for installing Sage packages using "sage i" or for running "make" at Sage's root directory. These should be done outside the Sage shell. Bypassing shell configuration files... Note: SAGE_ROOT=/usr/local/sage/5.3rc1 > time python cachefunc_3730.py 5.553u 2.243s 0:10.39 74.9% 0+0k 1128+17624io 1pf+0w
If you do this on the machine where you get the SEGV (i.e., bsd) in the doctest, you should really get a SEGV from this as well. If you don't, we should probably start taking cosmic radiation into account as well.
For running under gdb:
> gdb args python t cachefunc_3730.py [...runs fine...]
we already know that that prevents the SEGV from happening.
The key is that now you have a single file, cachefunc_3730.py
for me, but
you'd have a different name, which you can tweak bit by bit. As we've seen,
running sage t verbose
also prevents the SEGV, so setting
if __name__ == '__main__': verbose = True
will likely make the SEGV go away. However, you have finer control now. By tweaking the file bit by bit you can probably zoom in on what goes wrong. Plus, seeing the traceback from an unredirected stderr might already give you a hint of what's going wrong.
My bet is that all doctests pass and that something goes wrong in quit_sage
, where the flurry of deletions is likely doublefree something or reference an invalid pointer.
comment:269 in reply to: ↑ 268 ; followup: ↓ 270 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to SimonKing:
Why do you think so? It is the temporary file created by sagedoctest. I had modified sagedoctest so that the location of the temporary file is shown, instead of deleting the file  hence, I could copy it and post it here.
I did the same but got a bigger file (I'm not attaching it because with the hardcoded paths it's useless, so you have to extract it yourself anyway)
duke sage/5.3rc1$ wc failing_test_under_gdb.py 96 283 3714 failing_test_under_gdb.py duke sage/5.3rc1$ wc cachefunc_3730.py 2592 10019 99307 cachefunc_3730.pyso I suspect that you edited it. However, if your shorter file is still capable of segfaulting, that's fine, of course.
As I said: It is the file from comment:251, it is not cachefunc.pyx, but just a single test from cachefunc.pyx that suffices to trigger the error (which also demonstrates that it is not a side effect of other tests).
If you do this on the machine where you get the SEGV (i.e., bsd) in the doctest,
Do I get SEGV? Is that a synonym of signal 11?
For running under gdb:
> gdb args python t cachefunc_3730.py [...runs fine...]we already know that that prevents the SEGV from happening.
Is it preventing it from happening? I thought we have found that some signal problem is still present for subprocesses created with p_iter_fork.
comment:270 in reply to: ↑ 269 ; followup: ↓ 271 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Do I get SEGV? Is that a synonym of signal 11?
Ah, yes. SIGSEGV (a segmentation fault) gets communicated via a signal 11.
Is it preventing it from happening? I thought we have found that some signal problem is still present for subprocesses created with p_iter_fork.
Right. But signal handlers and segfaults are only related to the extent that a segmentation fault gets communicated via a signal. So being killed because of a "signal 11" doesn't particularly indicate any problem with stray signals or signal handlers. It's probably just a plain memory fault. At this point I think there is little ground to assume the SIGABRT issues observed are related to the segmentation fault. In particular because #13437 fixes one and not the other. Even if there is a connection, it doesn't seem that exploring a hypothetical one is going to help much in tracing the problem. If
$ sage sh ... > python t failing_test_under_gdb.py
is giving you a segfault, perhaps you can get that to dump core? (if I send
kill 11 [python process]
I get a core dumped if I unset the limit). Alternatively, perhaps
> sage failing_test_under_gdb.py
is close enough that it still segfaults. Sage installs a more useful SIGSEGV handler that at least gives you a traceback on stderr. Apparently involving gdb changes things too much to still observe the error, so from that point it's just tweaking the file and/or sage to see where the error is originating.
comment:271 in reply to: ↑ 270 ; followup: ↓ 272 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to SimonKing: If
$ sage sh ... > python t failing_test_under_gdb.pyis giving you a segfault,
It isn't. As I stated above, with the short test file written down in comment:251 I can reproduce the failure occurring with sage t gdb
, but it passes with sage t
. And so does its pure python version.
In other words, I'll now try to get the python version of the full test of cachefunc.pyx.
perhaps you can get that to dump core? (if I send
kill 11 [python process]
I get a core dumped if I unset the limit).
Could you elaborate more? By [python process]
you mean the pid of the test, right? How can I find out the pid in the few seconds that the test takes before failing?
comment:272 in reply to: ↑ 271 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
In other words, I'll now try to get the python version of the full test of cachefunc.pyx.
I tried to modify the function delete_tmpfiles() in sagedoctest such that the temporary files are preserved, but apparently the function is not executed. That may indicate that in fact the test framework fails, not the test.
comment:273 Changed 10 years ago by
With cachefunc_94107.py, I get:
(sagesh) SimonKing@bsd:sage$ python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/cachefunc_94107.py  Unhandled SIGSEGV: A segmentation fault occurred in Sage. This probably occurred because a *compiled* component of Sage has a bug in it and is not properly wrapped with sig_on(), sig_off(). You might want to run Sage under gdb with 'sage gdb' to debug this. Sage will now terminate.  Segmentation fault
So, that looks much more expressive than what sage t reports!
However, setting ulimit c unlimited did not result in a dumped core:
(sagesh) SimonKing@bsd:sage$ ulimit c unlimited (sagesh) SimonKing@bsd:sage$ python t ~/SAGE/work/signal11/cachefunc_94107.py ... Segmentation fault (sagesh) SimonKing@bsd:sage$ ls /cores/ (sagesh) SimonKing@bsd:sage$
So, can you explain how I could get a core dump?
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:274 Changed 10 years ago by
Playing around with cachefunc_94107.py:
sage cachefunc_94107.py
also results in that segfault.
Starting sage and then attaching cachefunc_94107.py to the interactive session, I get:
sage: attach ~/SAGE/work/signal11/cachefunc_94107.py  SystemExit Traceback (most recent call last) /scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/devel/sagemain/<ipython console> in <module>() /scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/local/lib/python2.7/sitepackages/sage/misc/preparser.pyc in load(filename, globals, attach) 1646 1647 if fpath.endswith('.py'): > 1648 execfile(fpath, globals) 1649 elif fpath.endswith('.sage'): 1650 if (attach and attach_debug_mode) or ((not attach) and load_debug_mode): /Users/SimonKing/SAGE/work/signal11/cachefunc_94107.py in <module>() 2588 sys.exit(255) 2589 quit_sage(verbose=False) 2590 if runner.failures > 254: 2591 sys.exit(254) > 2592 sys.exit(runner.failures) SystemExit: 0 Type %exit or %quit to exit IPython (%Exit or %Quit do so unconditionally). sage:
So, up to here, it more or less looks normal. But when I press CtrlD to leave the interactive session, I get:
Exiting Sage (CPU time 0m0.70s, Wall time 0m30.10s). /scratch/sking/sage5.4.beta0/spkg/bin/sage: line 336: 97357 Segmentation fault sageipython "$@" i
The "Exiting Sage ..." is printed at the beginning of sage.all.quit_sage. Hence, it now seems that (again) leaving Sage is the problem.
comment:275 Changed 10 years ago by
Nils, I have absolutely no idea how you made messages show up in my screen session on bsd.math, and I also have no idea how to answer.
What I did now: I edited the test file, so that it ends with
except BaseException, msg: print "an exception has occured" print msg #quit_sage(verbose=False) import traceback traceback.print_exc(file=sys.stdout) #sys.exit(255) print "we would now quit, but we don't" #quit_sage(verbose=False) #if runner.failures > 254: # sys.exit(254) #sys.exit(runner.failures)
Then, attaching the file and quitting sage works fine, and an exception does not occur. No idea what that means, though.
comment:276 Changed 10 years ago by
Sorry for the noise. The segmentation fault already occurs when doing quit_sage()
in an interactive session, and then quits sage (which implies executing quit_sage()
again).
comment:277 Changed 10 years ago by
A question, perhaps slightly offtopic (or not?): Do we want to change quit_sage such that using it twice does not result in a segfault but only in a "harmless" error (or better: In no error at all)?
I know, one is not supposed to call quit_sage() explicitly (even though it appears in the global name space of interactive sessions), but perhaps it could be made safer.
comment:278 Changed 10 years ago by
Ah! If one does quit_sage() in an interactive session and then quits sage, the segfault occurs in _unsafe_deallocate_pari_stack. That problem is fixed in another patch of mine, namely at #12215.
comment:279 Changed 10 years ago by
If one replaces _unsafe_deallocate_pari_stack by __dealloc__
(as suggested by #12215), the segfault created by manually using quit_sage() has moved to sage.rings.integer.clear_mpz_globals()
. I guess that function has to do some checks before calling free.
Anyway. With the change to pari, one still has the signal 11 problem in sage t sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx, as before.
comment:280 followup: ↓ 281 Changed 10 years ago by
I don't think that quit_sage()
is the cause. Here's why. When I run python cachfunc*.py
I observe that the segfault is happening during the actual doctests. In fact, it can happen in example_27
.
I've changed the doctests there to fail, so that nonverbose output tells me what happens:
... def example_27(): r""">>> set_random_seed(0L) >>> change_warning_output(sys.stdout) Call the cached method without using the cache. EXAMPLE:: >>> 1 DO WE SEE THIS? >>> P = QQ['a, b, c, d']; (a, b, c, d,) = P._first_ngens(4)###line 1038:_sage_ >>> P.<a,b,c,d> = QQ[] WE DO NOT SEE THIS ...
When I run that, the (added) doctest fails visibly on DO WE SEE THIS?
but the next line does not fail visibly anymore. That's not to say that that line has the bug in it. It just happens to get trapped in whatever memory corruption has happened before. So at least we know that whatever causes the corruption, it's executed before that point.
The actual trigger point may not bear real information. For instance, if I edit some doctests in e.g. example_17 to fail, I do get the printed failures but no segfault at all. That is consistent with verbose
making the segfault not happen in a way.
In any case, it seems that in an interactive session the segfault trigger gets postponed even further and only happens in quit_sage()
. But that doesn't mean that quit_sage()
is to blame.
comment:281 in reply to: ↑ 280 Changed 10 years ago by
Continuing on the bisection tour: While the argument above was sound (the memory corruption must happen before the segfault), the following is a heuristic: We observed that letting a doctest print/fail early in the file prevents the segfault from happening. This could be because such a print changes the memory layout (triggers a GC or something like that) and hence the corruption that is still to come, happens in a different place and doesn't lead to a segfault. This idea seems surprisingly robust in practice: If you add failing doctests below a certain point, you have the segfault in the place pointed out above. If you add failing doctests before a certain point, no segfault happens. The hypothesis is now that the crossover point is where the corruption happens. It's in example_21:
... This class is a pickle. However, sometimes, pickles need to be pickled another time. TEST:: >>> PF = WeylGroup(['A',Integer(3)]).pieri_factors()###line 846:_sage_ >>> PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() >>> a = PF.an_element()###line 847:_sage_ >>> a = PF.an_element() >>> 1 NOT THIS >>> a.bruhat_lower_covers()###line 848:_sage_ >>> a.bruhat_lower_covers() ...
With this in place, a segfault still happens. If I move the failing doctest before PF.an_element
, we don't get a segfault. So perhaps that routine is to blame? Missing refcount increase perhaps?
Once again, this is only heuristic! I have no proof. It's just that around this location, segfaulting seems to react to changes.
comment:282 followups: ↓ 284 ↓ 285 ↓ 286 ↓ 290 Changed 10 years ago by
Oh sigh ... this could be such a red herring. On bsd.math, there is a huge difference between sage versions in how this piece of code behaves:
On sage 5.4.beta0
(with patches):
sage: PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() sage: %time a = PF.an_element() CPU times: user 0.06 s, sys: 0.05 s, total: 0.11 s Wall time: 43.57 s
On sage 5.2beta1
(happens to be the systemwide sage install on bsd):
sage: PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() sage: %time a = PF.an_element() CPU times: user 0.06 s, sys: 0.05 s, total: 0.10 s Wall time: 0.44 s
The 5.4b0 time is really anomalous. On another system, 5.3rc1+patches behaves very comparably to 5.0 for me. So there is something fishy with this.
The method eventually called, PF._an_element_, is a very interesting piece of work. It's recursive and exercises the coercion system really well. So lots of opportunities to foul up caches and memory. Implicated in all of this, by the way:
class WeylGroup_gens(ClearCacheOnPickle, UniqueRepresentation, MatrixGroup_gens)
Oh this is so cool. All our favourites in one place:
class MatrixGroup_gens(MatrixGroup_gap)
We're wrapping an interface too! (that sort of explains the anomalous timing. Apparently the particular 5.4b0 build on bsd has a very bad gap?
comment:283 Changed 10 years ago by
If you guys ever solve this problem, you really deserve some kind of medal for Debugging Excellence.
comment:284 in reply to: ↑ 282 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin: Implicated in all of this, by the way:
class WeylGroup_gens(ClearCacheOnPickle, UniqueRepresentation, MatrixGroup_gens)Oh this is so cool.
Indeed! Until not so long ago (i.e., before #11115), ClearCacheOnPickle
was totally broken. And it is originally done for strongly cached methods. But with the patches from here, UniqueRepresentation
has a weak cache of its __classcall__
. That might be worth analysing  I am not sure at all whether this can possibly be a problem, because __classcall__
is a cached_function, while ClearCacheOnPickle
is supposed to only clear cached_method.
All our favourites in one place:
class MatrixGroup_gens(MatrixGroup_gap)We're wrapping an interface too!
:)
comment:285 in reply to: ↑ 282 ; followup: ↓ 287 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Oh sigh ... this could be such a red herring. On bsd.math, there is a huge difference between sage versions in how this piece of code behaves: On
sage 5.4.beta0
(with patches):sage: PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() sage: %time a = PF.an_element() CPU times: user 0.06 s, sys: 0.05 s, total: 0.11 s Wall time: 43.57 s
That's strange, but I can not confirm that timing. On bsd.math with patched 5.4.beta0:
sage: PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() sage: %time a = PF.an_element() CPU times: user 0.06 s, sys: 0.05 s, total: 0.11 s Wall time: 0.75 s
We're wrapping an interface too! (that sort of explains the anomalous timing. Apparently the particular 5.4b0 build on bsd has a very bad gap?
Works for me.
comment:286 in reply to: ↑ 282 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
The method eventually called, PF._an_element_, is a very interesting piece of work.
For the record: It is the generic _an_element_, defined in sage.structure.parent.Parent.
comment:287 in reply to: ↑ 285 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
That's strange, but I can not confirm that timing. On bsd.math with patched 5.4.beta0:
I cannot anymore either (I've copied your 5.4b0 on bsd). When I try it now, I get timings similar to yours. When I tried I did so repeatedly, with both sage versions.
However, the triggering of the segfault still seems to be as reported: Let a doctest fail before PF._an_element
: no segfault. Otherwise: segfault.
comment:288 Changed 10 years ago by
OK, in principle it is possible to handle segfaults with code like:
import signal import os, sys import traceback def handler(a,frm): tb=traceback.extract_stack(frm) traceback.print_tb(tb,sys.stderr) sys.stderr.flush() os._exit(255) signal.signal(signal.SIGSEGV,handler)
Of course, with a serious corruption, it's doubtful that code can run successfully. Indeed, if we equip the doctesting script with it, we don't get useful information. It makes the script loop forever.
I cannot debug on bsd because OSX wants admin credentials. However, I think it is possible to attach gdb to running processes, in which case it might be possible to poke around in the corpse a bit.
See
bsd.math.washington.edu:/scratch/nbruin/sage5.4.beta0/segv_handle_infinite_loop.py
I've also tried to put gc.collect()
in the doctest. If you put it early enough in the file (either before or a bit after the an_element
call), it prevents the segfault. If you put it right before the test where the segfault happens, the collection itself does not lead to a segfault, but a segfault still happens. This is all consistent with a corruption that happens at one point and triggers a fault somewhere else. Is there a way to put a command in the doctest that would drop us into a (python) debugger or a REPL? then we could pick through the memory and see if there's anything unsavoury.
comment:289 Changed 10 years ago by
I really wonder about the use of ClearCacheOnPickle
here. Quite simply: ClearCacheOnPickle
can not work together with a method whose pickling relies on a __reduce__
method. It will only work for objects that are pickled via __getstate__
.
In particular, since loads(dumps(W))
is W
, there is nothing emptied. And even when storing it on disc, the cache is not emptied:
sage: W = WeylGroup(['A',3]) sage: W.cartan_type Cached version of <function cartan_type at 0x10aad5398> sage: W.cartan_type.cache ['A', 3] sage: save(W,'tmp')
Start new session
sage: W = load('tmp.sobj') sage: W.cartan_type.cache ['A', 3]
Hence, it makes absolutely no sense to me that sage.combinat.root_system.weyl_group.WeylGroup_gens
inherits from ClearCacheOnPickle
and UniqueRepresentation
at the same time  both bases are orthogonal. I think ClearCacheOnPickle
should be removed here.
However, as I just tested: Dropping ClearCacheOnPickle
will not fix the signal 11.
comment:290 in reply to: ↑ 282 ; followups: ↓ 292 ↓ 293 Changed 10 years ago by
Oops, wrong button. I meant to reply to 282 but instead I edited the text. You can still read the original under "previous". Here is the reply:
sage: PF = WeylGroup(['A',3]).pieri_factors() sage: %time a = PF.an_element()
I think an_element
is exonerated. If you replace it with a=iter(PF).next()
you get the same element and the same segfault.
Further desperate facts that may or may not be relevant:
 if you make
TripleDict
strong on any of its keys, the segfault disappears. That doesn't say no memory corruption happens of course.
 if you store all key triples fed into TripleDict? (setting strong refs), you find 220 keys before the tests run (i.e., just due to sage startup) and 351 after (and no segfault of course). A set of the 151 new entries:
set([Full MatrixSpace of 4 by 4 sparse matrices over Integer Ring, Set of Python objects of type 'long', Ring of integers modulo 389, Extended weight space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Full MatrixSpace of 4 by 4 dense matrices over Rational Field, Multivariate Polynomial Ring in a, b, c, d over Rational Field, Weight space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3], Coroot lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Ambient space of the Root system of type ['A', 3], Set of Python objects of type 'int', Weight lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Vector space of dimension 4 over Rational Field, Weight lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3], Extended weight lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Full MatrixSpace of 130 by 390 sparse matrices over Rational Field, <type 'int'>, Root space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3], Interface to the PARI C library, Integer Ring, Root space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], The Infinity Ring, Rational Field, Weight space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Root lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], Multivariate Polynomial Ring in x, y, z over Rational Field, Full MatrixSpace of 130 by 390 sparse matrices over Integer Ring, <type 'NoneType'>, Root lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3], <type 'long'>])
Quite some entries involving "root systems" etc., so it's not so far fetched to think that a bad deletion of something involving the WeylGroup
causes the memory corruption. In that case the corruption is happening on all systems. It just only triggers a segfault on bsd. So someone with good valgrind experience wanting to analyze the memory management of the cachefunc.pyx
doctests?
comment:291 Changed 10 years ago by
You mean running the complete cachefunc.pyx doctests? Or some stripped file? I could give it a try.
IIRC I tried running valgrind on Simon example alone involving the cached oddprime thingy, but with the problematic range, the Valgrind output was just horrible, above 280MB... I then only used 1,4 as range without parrallelness (the last parameter in Simon example), but did not really find anything obvious.
I'll retry to valgrind this today or tomorrow.
comment:292 in reply to: ↑ 290 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Further desperate facts that may or may not be relevant:
 if you make
TripleDict
strong on any of its keys, the segfault disappears.
Do you really say: Any? I ask, because the "classical" application of TripleDict
in sage.structure.coerce would either have None
(for coercion maps) or an operation (for actions) as third key item.
Hence, if a strong reference to the third key items of TripleDict
suffices to fix the problem, then I reckon the "nonclassical" use of TripleDict
in #11521 is involved in the segfault: The cache for Homsets, which has categories as third key items.
comment:293 in reply to: ↑ 290 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
 if you store all key triples fed into TripleDict? (setting strong refs), you find 220 keys before the tests run (i.e., just due to sage startup) and 351 after (and no segfault of course). A set of the 151 new entries:
... Quite some entries involving "root systems" etc., so it's not so far fetched to think that a bad deletion of something involving the
WeylGroup
causes the memory corruption.
I tried to view it from the opposite direction: When feeding a value into a TripleDict
, I stored the string representation of the value in a dictionary, indexed by the memory address of the value. And when TripleDictEraser
was removing an item of a TripleDict
, I wrote the string representation of the current value being deleted and its original string representation into a file.
Result: When running the tests of cachefunc.pyx, it happens 122 times that TripleDictEraser
is called. It is called on precisely two kinds of values:
 The value could be an action. If this is the case, then the underlying set of the action is already garbage collected, at the time when the action is removed from the
TripleDict
.  The value could be a weak reference to a set of homomorphisms. If this is the case, then the weak reference is already dead, at the time when it is removed from the
TripleDict
.
Here is the change that I applied:

sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx
diff git a/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx b/sage/structure/coerce_dict.pyx
a b 33 33 include "../ext/python_list.pxi" 34 34 35 35 from weakref import KeyedRef 36 36 tmp_dict = {} 37 37 ############################################ 38 38 # The following code is responsible for 39 39 # removing dead references from the cache … … 120 120 cdef size_t h = (k1 + 13*k2 ^ 503*k3) 121 121 cdef list bucket = <object>PyList_GET_ITEM(self.D.buckets, h % PyList_GET_SIZE(self.D.buckets)) 122 122 cdef int i 123 f = file('/Users/SimonKing/SAGE/work/tmp','a') 123 124 for i from 0 <= i < PyList_GET_SIZE(bucket) by 4: 124 125 if <size_t><object>PyList_GET_ITEM(bucket, i)==k1 and \ 125 126 <size_t><object>PyList_GET_ITEM(bucket, i+1)==k2 and \ 126 127 <size_t><object>PyList_GET_ITEM(bucket, i+2)==k3: 128 try: 129 f.write('%s: '%repr(bucket[i+3])) 130 except BaseException,msg: 131 f.write('%s: '%repr(msg)) 132 f.write( '%s\n'%tmp_dict[id(bucket[i+3])]) 127 133 del bucket[i:i+4] 128 134 self.D._size = 1 129 135 break 130 136 try: 137 f.close() 131 138 self.D._refcache.__delitem__((k1,k2,k3)) 132 139 except KeyError: 133 140 pass … … 451 458 self.set(k1, k2, k3, value) 452 459 453 460 cdef set(self, object k1, object k2, object k3, value): 461 if getattr(value,'__module__',None)=='weakref': 462 tmp_dict[id(value)] = repr(value()) 463 else: 464 tmp_dict[id(value)] = repr(value) 454 465 if self.threshold and self._size > len(self.buckets) * self.threshold: 455 466 self.resize() 456 467 cdef size_t h1 = <size_t><void *>k1
Unfortunately, with that change, the signal 11 is gone. After all, it is a Heisenbug...
The question is: What do we learn from these data?
If the underlying set of an action has already been deleted when deleting the action, then of course it would be a problem is some __dealloc__
method would try to do something with the underlying set.
comment:294 followup: ↓ 295 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Do you really say: Any? I ask, because the "classical" application of
TripleDict
in sage.structure.coerce would either haveNone
(for coercion maps) or an operation (for actions) as third key item. Hence, if a strong reference to the third key items ofTripleDict
suffices to fix the problem, then I reckon the "nonclassical" use ofTripleDict
in #11521 is involved in the segfault: The cache for Homsets, which has categories as third key items.
Not quite. Good suggestion! I tried to only the strongrefs that are either a Category or not, and in either case I prevented the segfault. There's a large overlap between the other keys between different entries, and if a deletion is to blame somewhere, ANY reference to that object would prevent the segfault. I concentrated on the classical use, because that involves few 3rd keys. I found the following possible noncategory third keys (not looking at those that are present after sage initialization already):
set([False, True, <builtin function div>, <builtin function mul>, None, <builtin function eq>, <builtin function add>, <builtin function iadd>])
I tried only storing entries with one third key, for each of the above. Only <builtin function mul>
prevents segfaulting. This doesn't say with absolute certainty that it's one of those key triples whose deletion causes the problem. It could also be that a subtle change in memory layout prevents the segfault. Anyway, the key triples in question are (only the ones added after sage init):
(Rational Field, <type 'int'>, <builtin function mul>) (Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Rational Field, Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Complex Lazy Field, <builtin function mul>) (Number Field in I with defining polynomial x^2 + 1, <type 'int'>, <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Symbolic Ring, <builtin function mul>) (<type 'int'>, Symbolic Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Symbolic Ring, <type 'int'>, <builtin function mul>) (<type 'float'>, Symbolic Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Real Field with 53 bits of precision, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (<type 'list'>, Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Real Interval Field with 64 bits of precision, <builtin function mul>) (Real Interval Field with 64 bits of precision, <type 'int'>, <builtin function mul>) (Number Field in I with defining polynomial x^2 + 1, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Complex Interval Field with 64 bits of precision, <builtin function mul>) (Multivariate Polynomial Ring in a, b, c, d over Rational Field, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Multivariate Polynomial Ring in x, y, z over Rational Field, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (<type 'int'>, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Ambient space of the Root system of type ['A', 3], Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Ambient space of the Root system of type ['A', 3], <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Root space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], <builtin function mul>) (<type 'int'>, Full MatrixSpace of 4 by 4 sparse matrices over Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Full MatrixSpace of 4 by 4 sparse matrices over Integer Ring, Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Coroot lattice of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Weight space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Weight space over the Rational Field of the Root system of type ['A', 3, 1], <builtin function mul>) (Rational Field, Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Full MatrixSpace of 4 by 4 dense matrices over Rational Field, Vector space of dimension 4 over Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Vector space of dimension 4 over Rational Field, Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Full MatrixSpace of 130 by 390 sparse matrices over Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>) (Integer Ring, Full MatrixSpace of 130 by 390 sparse matrices over Rational Field, <builtin function mul>) (<type 'long'>, Integer Ring, <builtin function mul>)
By the way, I've checked that the segfault really happens during P = Q['a, b, c, d']
in example 27, not in getting the generators.
Again, it's only likely that one of these objects is involved, since not strong reffing them allows a segfault to happen. Unlikely, but not impossible, is that the mere presence of one of these objects in memory changes the location of an otherwise unrelated memory corruption. I think it's unlikely because the other tests show you can change quite a bit about what you store or not and still get a segfault.
comment:295 in reply to: ↑ 294 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
By the way, I've checked that the segfault really happens during
P = Q['a, b, c, d']
in example 27, not in getting the generators.
And indeed, changing the cache in polynomial_ring_constructor.py
to be a dict
instead of a WeakValueDictionary
prevents the segfault.
Digging a little deeper (putting sys.stderr.write("point 2\n")
in the source), the segfault happens in sage.rings.polynomial.polynomial_ring_constructor._multi_variate
R = MPolynomialRing_libsingular(base_ring, n, names, order)
In my experience, this bug is relatively robust against things done in python (apart from, strangely, letting doctests fail before a certain point). Simon's code above asks for repr
. I imagine doing that on a libsingular object calls into libsingular (which has its own omalloc
handled heap, right?)
When I was analyzing references, I stored them wholesale in a list. Only later did I ask for string representatives. Hence, I probably avoided extra calls into libsingular.
Digging a littler deeper still, the segfault seems to occur in MPolynomialRing_libsingular.__init__
in the line:
self._ring = singular_ring_new(base_ring, n, self._names, order)
which goes into sage/libs/singular/ring. pyx
. Instrumenting the code there a bit:
sys.stderr.write("before _names allocation\n") _names = <char**>omAlloc0(sizeof(char*)*(len(names))) sys.stderr.write("after _names allocation\n") for i from 0 <= i < n: _name = names[i] sys.stderr.write("calling omStrDup for i=%s with name=%s\n"%(i,names[i]) _names[i] = omStrDup(_name) sys.stderr.write("after omStrDup\n")
gives me (note that the strings to be duplicated are fine for printing!):
... after _names allocation calling omStrDup for i=0 with name=a after omStrDup calling omStrDup for i=1 with name=b <UNHANDLED SIGSEGV>
I think this strongly implicates a corruption of the omAlloc heap. Other people who know much more about singular hopefully can take over.
All my files (including instrumented code) are on bsd:/scratch/nbruin/sage5.4.beta0
. It might be hard to work with directly, but a hg diff
might give some useful info regarding which files are involved.
One thing that helps a little bit is to guard the omStrDup
loop with sig_on()
and sig_off
. The the segmentation fault gets reported as a RuntimeError
. There are of course all kinds of doctests that fail (in particular any of the other polynomial constructions in subsequent tests fail)
comment:296 Changed 10 years ago by
 Cc malb added
Cc to Martin, since I suppose he knows about Singular's omAlloc
and can comment on the problems described in comment:295.
Nils: Kudos for digging to such depth!
Since there is a new Singular spkg at #13237 which got merged into sage5.4.beta0, we may check whether the segfault also occurs with the old version of Singular.
comment:297 Changed 10 years ago by
Nothing immediately comes to mind, but you could try and ask [singulardevel] perhaps?
comment:298 Changed 10 years ago by
OK, I've taken out the omStrDup
call in sage/libs/singular/ring.pyx
and just manually copy the strings over:
for i from 0 <= i < n: _name = names[i] sys.stderr.write("calling omStrDup for i=%s with name=%s\n"%(i,names[i])) j = 0 while <bint> _name[j]: j+=1 j+=1 #increment to include the 0 sys.stderr.write("string length (including 0) seems to be %s\n"%j) copiedname = <char*>omAlloc(sizeof(char)*(j+perturb)) sys.stderr.write("Done reserving memory buffer; got address %x\n"%(<long>copiedname)) for 0 <= offset < j: sys.stderr.write("copying character nr %s\n"%offset) copiedname[offset] = _name[offset] _names[i] = copiedname sys.stderr.write("after omStrDup\n")
If I set this code with perturb=7
, I don't get a segfault. With smaller values I do, and the segfault happens in the omAlloc
line. Given that j==2
for most of this code, I guess that memory blocks are at least 8 bytes (this is OSX 64bits).
If omAlloc
fails, I guess some of the internal omAlloc data structures is failing (I think the idea is that memory is managed in equalsized blocks with just a free list on a system mAlloced page). If I were to implement that, I'd store the pointers of the free block linked list in the actual blocks (hence minimum 8 byte blocks), so if anyone omAllocs an 8byte block and then writes past it, they could ruin the linked list and likely cause a subsequent omAlloc to segfault (because the omAlloc would actually have to access the location pointed to to check if the there is a next node in the free list). Even more likely: some code decides to "zero out" a block after it's already been omFree'd
. That could also be a double deallocation.
There must be people with vast omAlloc debugging experience who have wonderful tricks to track down this kind of error. A tiny bit of instrumentation should do the trick (frequent verification of free lists, checking that a block is not already in the free list when asked to deallocate  these are things one could easily do without changing memory layout.
In the mean time, we can "fix" the segfault on bsd by allocating a little extra space for variable names. At least 9 bytes seems to do the trick. By now it's pretty clear that the real error is probably a refcounting error in sage libsingular rings, which didn't become apparent until these things actually do get deallocated.
If we insist that libsingular rings behave as specified, then part of their specification is likely that they should not be deallocated. Since Volker has already put in manual refcounting, we can simply get the result by
sage/libs/singular/ring.pyx:
wrapped_ring = wrap_ring(_ring) if wrapped_ring in ring_refcount_dict: raise ValueError('newly created ring already in dictionary??')  ring_refcount_dict[wrapped_ring] = 1 + ring_refcount_dict[wrapped_ring] = 2 return _ring
Then one can make another ticket "make libsingular rings deallocatable". Given that these rings get tied into the coercion framework anyway, I think you'd be hardpressed to find a memory regression wrt. pre#715 sage (perhaps one would have to increase a refcount on an object one level higher, since the ring_wrapper_Py
objects don't actually live with the _ring. They're only to do an equality test. So with this fix, I think rings would leak in the sense that the UniqueRepresentation
type that wraps them would die without the ring dying.)
I think exposing the rest of sage to mortal parents is too important to delay on a hardtotrackdown memory issue for deallocation in libsingular.
comment:299 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:300 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #9138, #11900, #11599, to be merged with #11521 to #9138, #11900, #11599, #13145, to be merged with #11521
comment:301 followup: ↓ 302 Changed 10 years ago by
Nope, doesn't help.
bash3.2$ ../../sage t sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" The doctested process was killed by signal 11 [12.7 s]  The following tests failed: sage t "devel/sagemain/sage/misc/cachefunc.pyx" # Killed/crashed Total time for all tests: 12.7 seconds bash3.2$ hg qa trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch trac_11521_homset_weakcache_combined.patch trac_11521_callback.patch 13145.patch
and still, under gdb:
sage: @cached_function ....: def oddprime_factors(n): ....: l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ....: return len(l) ....: sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100)) [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers...
comment:302 in reply to: ↑ 301 ; followup: ↓ 303 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
sage: @cached_function ....: def oddprime_factors(n): ....: l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ....: return len(l) ....: sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100)) [Errno 4] Interrupted system call Killing any remaining workers...
I firmly believe that's an unrelated problem. It's hard to imagine how singular could be involved with that. Furthermore, we have already seen that we can solve this one by setting and handling SIGALRM more cleanly.
comment:303 in reply to: ↑ 302 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
I firmly believe that's an unrelated problem. It's hard to imagine how singular could be involved with that.
Sure.
So, what shall we do? Do we all agree that the plan is as follows:
 The SIGALRM problem (under gdb) is solved on a different ticket already, namely #13437. So, make it a dependency.
 The refcounting problem that is likely to be behind the signal 11 problem (without gdb) can be temporarily worked around by using a strong cache to libsingular polynomial rings. I only wonder whether the doctests demonstrating the weak cache will still work. But it would be a chance to finally get over with #715 and #11521 and #12215 and #13370 and #12313 and #12876 and so on.
 A proper fix of the refcounting problem should be done on a new ticket. Nils, since you already made a deep analysis of the problem, could you create that new ticket?
Here is another message to the patchbot, since I forgot to include the new patch:
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch
And then #11521
comment:304 followup: ↓ 305 Changed 10 years ago by
When running sage5.2.rc0 with patches on OpenSuse
under gdb, I get the following:
sage: @cached_function ....: def oddprime_factors(n): ....: l = [p for p,e in factor(n) if p != 2] ....: return len(l) ....: sage: oddprime_factors.precompute(range(1,100)) Detaching after fork from child process 20030. Detaching after fork from child process 20031. ... Detaching after fork from child process 20127. Detaching after fork from child process 20128. sage:
If I understand correctly, that message comes from gdb and informs that gdb can only follow one of the two processes after forking. So, that is to be expected, right?
Anyway, it is another data point, telling that the two problems we are seeing here are specific to OS X on Intel.
comment:305 in reply to: ↑ 304 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
If I understand correctly, that message comes from gdb and informs that gdb can only follow one of the two processes after forking. So, that is to be expected, right?
Or perhaps not:
simon@linuxsqwp:~/SAGE/prerelease/sage5.2.rc0/devel/sage> gdb GNU gdb (GDB) SUSE (7.341.1.2) Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html> This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. Type "show copying" and "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "x86_64suselinux". For bug reporting instructions, please see: <http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>. (gdb) show print inferiorevents Printing of inferior events is off.
Anyway, I guess it doesn't help with the two problems we are facing here.
comment:306 followup: ↓ 309 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:307 followup: ↓ 310 Changed 10 years ago by
I guess the list of patches in the description needs to be updated?
comment:308 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
Please update the ticket description if you add patches.
Thanks.
comment:309 in reply to: ↑ 306 ; followup: ↓ 311 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
The new ticket for the libsingular problem is #13450.
I think that one can be considered a duplicate of #13447
Something along the lines of attachment:trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch should work best, because then at least the permanently stored copy is available for UniqueRepresentation
purposes (for which polynomial rings have their own weakvaluedictionary).
Solving the SIGALRM issue is optional since it only occurs on one machine with gdb and I don't think we specify that sage is supposed to work perfectly under gdb on all supported platforms. A first go at the problem is at #13437 (does its job).
comment:310 in reply to: ↑ 307 ; followup: ↓ 312 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
I guess the list of patches in the description needs to be updated?
Not necessarily, since I am not sure whether we all agree that a workaround by a permanent cache for polynomial rings is the right thing to do. Mainly I wanted to let the patchbot test whether other tests break with a permanent cache (e.g., tests that were introduced in #715 or #11521). But the patchbots seems to be down, so, it doesn't make sense anyway.
comment:311 in reply to: ↑ 309 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Replying to SimonKing:
The new ticket for the libsingular problem is #13450.
I think that one can be considered a duplicate of #13447
Probably. Why didn't you put me as cc? Then, I wouldn't have opened #13450.
Something along the lines of attachment:trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch should work best,
But only as a temporary workaround. In my applications, it is absolutely essential that polynomial rings can be deallocated, or the memory consumption would explode.
Solving the SIGALRM issue is optional since it only occurs on one machine with gdb and I don't think we specify that sage is supposed to work perfectly under gdb on all supported platforms. A first go at the problem is at #13437 (does its job).
Agreed.
comment:312 in reply to: ↑ 310 ; followup: ↓ 313 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Not necessarily, since I am not sure whether we all agree that a workaround by a permanent cache for polynomial rings is the right thing to do.
PS: For my own applications, it is certainly not acceptable to have a permanent cache for polynomial rings. Actually, the only reason why I worked on #715, #11521, #12215 and #12313 is to make polynomial rings collectable.
comment:313 in reply to: ↑ 312 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
PS: For my own applications, it is certainly not acceptable to have a permanent cache for polynomial rings. Actually, the only reason why I worked on #715, #11521, #12215 and #12313 is to make polynomial rings collectable.
Excellent! that makes you the perfect person to either find convincing evidence that #13447 is not necessary due to some silly configuration issue on bsd.math
or push through a proper fix! :). A sidetrip to Kaiserslautern sounds like the best way to make progress.
comment:314 followup: ↓ 315 Changed 10 years ago by
With the current patches of #715 + #11521 + #12215 + #12313, I get:
sage t force_lib devel/sage/sage/rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_libsingular.pyx ********************************************************************** File "/release/merger/sage5.4.beta2/devel/sagemain/sage/rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_libsingular.pyx", line 423: sage: len(ring_refcount_dict) == n Expected: True Got: False **********************************************************************
sage t force_lib devel/sage/sage/libs/singular/ring.pyx ********************************************************************** File "/release/merger/sage5.4.beta2/devel/sagemain/sage/libs/singular/ring.pyx", line 490: sage: ring_ptr in ring_refcount_dict Expected: False Got: True **********************************************************************
comment:315 in reply to: ↑ 314 Changed 10 years ago by
comment:316 followup: ↓ 317 Changed 10 years ago by
I'm pretty sure the failing tests are because of trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch (since that's the only thing that changed recently).
comment:317 in reply to: ↑ 316 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
I'm pretty sure the failing tests are because of trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch (since that's the only thing that changed recently).
In fact, the two tests were introduced in #11339.
The tests work, because they explicitly avoid calling the polynomial ring constructor (which has a strong cache in vanilla Sage) and calls the class explicitly. Nils' patch, introduces a strong cache not in the polynomial ring constructor, but directly in the class' __init__
method. That's why the tests break.
comment:318 followup: ↓ 320 Changed 10 years ago by
Sigh.
Nils, you found that python t
cachefunc_94107.py segfaults in example_27, right? But if one deletes all tests that come after example_27, the segfault vanishes.
In other words, whether there is a segfault or not depends on the presence of tests that will never be executed because of the segfault.
comment:319 Changed 10 years ago by
There is a segfault when deleting example_1. However, if one additionally deletes any of the tests that comes after example_61, then the segfault vanishes.
It seems we will not get a reasonable minimal example. Let's see if Hans Schönemann has an idea.
comment:320 in reply to: ↑ 318 ; followup: ↓ 321 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
In other words, whether there is a segfault or not depends on the presence of tests that will never be executed because of the segfault.
That's assuming that the doctesting framework tests all examples *in order*. I'm not 100% positive that that's the case. When I equipped a bunch of tests with lines of the form
>>> 1 EXAMPLE 6
etcetera, the segfault vanished (of course!) but I didn't see all test appear in numerical order. I guess I was just blocking that because of the severe cognitive dissonance this was causing, but your remark now makes it unavoidable to acknowledge.
Indeed, reading the generated .py
file:
... m = sys.modules[__name__] ... runner = sagedoctest.testmod_returning_runner(m, ...
so the doctestrunner gets a hold of which doctests to run by getting passed the module __main__
. At that point, it can basically only look up the runnable methods in the dictionary, so ordering is not guaranteed. It likely just extracts the doctests by the usual docstring introspecion tools.
Perhaps if we equip every test with a line
>>> sys.stderr.write('testing test 6\n')
we may might be able to see the actual order in which the examples are tested without preventing the doctest from happening. Perhaps when we establish that, we can strip out the (for us) silly doctesting layer and just have a plain python input file? Or take a guess and hope that __main__.__dict__
is listing the tests in the order they are tested.
comment:321 in reply to: ↑ 320 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to nbruin:
Perhaps if we equip every test with a line
>>> sys.stderr.write('testing test 6\n')we may might be able to see the actual order in which the examples are tested without preventing the doctest from happening.
<Deep sigh>
I tried, and printing to sys.stderr makes the segfault disappear. However, it shows that the doctests are executed in alphabetical order: ..., example_49, example_5, example_50, example_51, ..., example_67, example_7, example_8, example_9.
Assuming that the same order is used when not printing to stderr, we still find that the absence of a later doc test will prevent the segfault. Namely, you located the segfault in example_27, but it won't occur when deleting example_62, which comes alphabetically after example_27.
comment:322 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #9138, #11900, #11599, #13145, to be merged with #11521 to #9138, #11900, #11599, #13145, #13447 to be merged with #11521
With Nils' work at #13447, it seems that we have a proper solution of the problem and do not need a permanent cache for polynomial rings.
Hence, I am adding #13447 as a dependency.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch
And then #11521
comment:323 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #9138, #11900, #11599, #13145, #13447 to be merged with #11521 to #13145, #13447, to be merged with #11521
comment:324 Changed 10 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #13145, #13447, to be merged with #11521 to #13145, to be merged with #11521
 Status changed from needs_review to positive_review
Removing dependency #13447 again, because it looks like that ticket is not close to resolution. In the mean time, leaving polynomial rings immortal is not a regression compared to previous behaviour. Note that while the issue was only diagnosed on OSX, deallocation of polynomial rings indeed leads to potential writeafterfree, so the osx64dealloc patch should be applied universally.
That means we're back at comment:317 and positive review. We should really get this merged. At least the libsingular interface is not worse than it was before. Proper coordination of libsingular and python memory management shouldn't hold up reclaiming of other rings.
Apply trac_715_combined.patch trac_715_local_refcache.patch trac_715_safer.patch trac_715_specification.patch trac_715_osx64dealloc.patch
comment:325 Changed 10 years ago by
 Milestone changed from sage5.4 to sage5.5
SInce these tickets have caused some trouble in the past, I prefer to merge them only in a .beta0 (to maximize the testing), hence the milestone bump.
Changed 10 years ago by
comment:326 Changed 10 years ago by
 Description modified (diff)
I combined all the patches in one patch.
comment:327 Changed 10 years ago by
 Merged in set to sage5.5.beta0
 Resolution set to fixed
 Status changed from positive_review to closed
comment:328 Changed 10 years ago by
 Merged in sage5.5.beta0 deleted
 Resolution fixed deleted
 Status changed from closed to new
comment:329 Changed 10 years ago by
 Merged in set to sage5.5.beta0
 Resolution set to fixed
 Status changed from new to closed
comment:330 Changed 10 years ago by
sage5.5.beta0 + #11593 gives
sage t long "devel/sage/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py" The doctested process was killed by signal 11 [166.4 s]
on OS X 10.4 PPC (not on other systems as far as I know).
comment:331 followup: ↓ 332 Changed 10 years ago by
Sigh. While testing a preliminary sage5.5.beta2, I got again
sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py Segmentation fault (core dumped)
on a different system as before (Linux i686) and with different patches.
comment:332 in reply to: ↑ 331 Changed 10 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
Sigh. While testing a preliminary sage5.5.beta2, I got again
sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py Segmentation fault (core dumped)on a different system as before (Linux i686) and with different patches.
What does the core dump say? libsingular again, or something else?
I am sorry, but recently (and at least until end of this week) I will not be able to do Sage development.
comment:333 Changed 10 years ago by
 Cc mjo added
FWIW, this is happening here consistently with 5.5.rc0. Not sure if this will be useful, I compiled with my default CFLAGS:
(gdb) bt #0 convi (x=0x555559c55318, l=0x7ffffffec7d0) at ../src/kernel/gmp/mp.c:1288 #1 0x00007ffff4bec01a in itostr_sign (x=<optimized out>, sx=1, len=0x7ffffffec858) at ../src/language/es.c:507 #2 0x00007ffff4bf10b6 in str_absint (x=0x555559c55318, S=0x7ffffffecac0) at ../src/language/es.c:1788 #3 bruti_intern (g=0x555559c55318, T=<optimized out>, S=0x7ffffffecac0, addsign=1) at ../src/language/es.c:2568 #4 0x00007ffff4bf197e in bruti_intern (g=0x555559c55348, T=0x7ffff4f4bc80, S=0x7ffffffecac0, addsign=<optimized out>) at ../src/language/es.c:2741 #5 0x00007ffff4bf0ec4 in GENtostr_fun (out=0x7ffff4bf3d10 <bruti>, T=0x7ffff4f4bc80, x=0x555559c55348) at ../src/language/es.c:1655 #6 GENtostr (x=0x555559c55348) at ../src/language/es.c:1661 #7 0x00007fffeaea9d14 in gcmp_sage (y=0x55555ca84ef8, x=0x555559c55348) at sage/libs/pari/misc.h:60 #8 __pyx_f_4sage_4libs_4pari_3gen_3gen__cmp_c_impl ( __pyx_v_left=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_right=<optimized out>) at sage/libs/pari/gen.c:9747 #9 0x00007fffee0d7697 in __pyx_f_4sage_9structure_7element_7Element__richcmp_c_impl (__pyx_v_left=0x55555a963c58, __pyx_v_right=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_op=2) at sage/structure/element.c:8719 #10 0x00007fffee0f48e4 in __pyx_f_4sage_9structure_7element_7Element__richcmp (__pyx_v_left=0x55555a963c58, __pyx_v_right=0x55555c6f9db8, __pyx_v_op=2) at sage/structure/element.c:8418 #11 0x00007fffeaea0d1b in __pyx_pf_4sage_4libs_4pari_3gen_3gen_88__richcmp__ ( __pyx_v_op=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_right=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_left=<optimized out>) at sage/libs/pari/gen.c:9709 #12 __pyx_pw_4sage_4libs_4pari_3gen_3gen_89__richcmp__ ( __pyx_v_left=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_right=<optimized out>, __pyx_v_op=<optimized out>) at sage/libs/pari/gen.c:9679 #13 0x00007ffff7a705fa in try_rich_compare (v=0x55555a963c58, w=0x55555c6f9db8, op=2) at Objects/object.c:617 #14 0x00007ffff7a7318b in try_rich_compare_bool (op=2, w=0x55555c6f9db8, v=0x55555a963c58) at Objects/object.c:645 ...
comment:334 Changed 10 years ago by
Ok, I can reproduce a segfault on a x86_64 system when running ell_number_field.py tests under gdb. The end of the backtrace is similar to what mjo posted. The beginning involves twisted, so it feels like the segfault happens when Sage quits, somewhere in quit_sage. This might be http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/attachment/ticket/12215/trac12215_segfault_fixes.patch as the backtrace suggests, and removing the offending PARI deallocation suggests as well.
I'll retry with the patch linked above and the other fix from #12313 for polybori.
comment:335 Changed 10 years ago by
ell_number_field.py seems fine with the two above fixes, so I guess the easiest solution is to open tickets to include these patches alone (and not all the hard work originally targetted in #12215 and #12313), make the tickets here (#715 and #11521) and there (#12215 and #12313) depend on these "new" tickets, and relaunch the patchbots with the new set of patches.
Maybe with Nils findings as well, like what is discussed at https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sagedevel/hgQLrqnCeyA/discussion if a patch is devised, and #13719, or keep these two for later...
comment:336 followup: ↓ 340 Changed 10 years ago by
The fix at #12313 is what does it for me:
$ sage hg qapp trac_12313_quit_sage.patch $ sage t long ./sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py sage t long "devel/sagemain/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_number_field.py" [43.8 s]  All tests passed! Total time for all tests: 43.8 seconds
comment:337 Changed 9 years ago by
Got a segfault in interrupt.pyx during "make ptestlong" on 5.5.rc0 plus the fixes mentioned above plus some pynac related patches.
I got {{ Fatal Python error: GC object already tracked }} followed by an highly uninterresting backtrace involving Python magic (from libpython itself and the Sage process and doctesting environment I guess), interrupt.so, a final call to PyTuple_New in libpython and boom (through libpthread and libcsage), but in particular nothing related to pynac, so the additional patches concerning pynac can be ruled out.
comment:338 Changed 9 years ago by
I've not managed to reproduce it by testing interrupt.pyx alone.
comment:339 Changed 9 years ago by
In fact I could after some other tens of iterations. By the way it also happened that the test timed out. Not sure this is related though, or present without the patches, or whatever.
comment:340 in reply to: ↑ 336 Changed 9 years ago by
comment:341 Changed 9 years ago by
Spoke too soon. I thought you are talking about the fix that made pari be properly deallocated. But that's in a patch from #12215.
So, correcting myself: The next step is to fix pari deallocation as in #12215 on a separate ticket, and then I think my priority will be #13447, which is then likely to involve the patch from #12313.
comment:342 Changed 9 years ago by
For the record: I created #13741, needing review (but perhaps needing a doctest).
comment:343 Changed 9 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #13145, to be merged with #11521 to #13145, #13741, #13746, to be merged with #11521
comment:344 followup: ↓ 345 Changed 9 years ago by
As the ticket was closed, I'm not sure my idea of changind the dependencies field was a good idea...
comment:345 in reply to: ↑ 344 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
As the ticket was closed, I'm not sure my idea of changind the dependencies field was a good idea...
Changing dependencies is fine for me. Just don't change the patch(es).
comment:346 Changed 9 years ago by
Did someone still have random failures? Or are we finally approaching the end here?
comment:347 Changed 9 years ago by
Building Python without pymalloc, I hopefully got valgrind outputs which might point to the hopefully last problem we have to face:
Not sure we got these so clearly before, but using withoutpymalloc and Valgrind (hint: finish and review #13060) I get lots of
==28631== Invalid read of size 8 ==28631== at 0x10429E50: __pyx_tp_dealloc_4sage_9structure_15category_object_CategoryObject (category_object.c:8990) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4EBA106: insertdict (dictobject.c:530) ==28631== by 0x4EBCB51: PyDict_SetItem (dictobject.c:775) ==28631== by 0x4EC2517: _PyObject_GenericSetAttrWithDict (object.c:1524) ==28631== by 0x4EC1F5E: PyObject_SetAttr (object.c:1247) ==28631== by 0x4F21600: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:2004) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F1F6A6: PyEval_CallObjectWithKeywords (ceval.c:3890) ==28631== by 0x4F23D5A: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:1739) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F266C1: PyEval_EvalCode (ceval.c:667) ==28631== by 0x4F24388: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4718) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4E8C46F: instancemethod_call (classobject.c:2578) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F21828: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4239) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F2422C: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4117) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== Address 0xbd30390 is 48 bytes inside a block of size 256 free'd ==28631== at 0x4C28B16: free (vg_replace_malloc.c:446) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4F5F112: collect (gcmodule.c:770) ==28631== by 0x4F5FB06: _PyObject_GC_Malloc (gcmodule.c:996) ==28631== by 0x4F5FB3C: _PyObject_GC_New (gcmodule.c:1467) ==28631== by 0x4E98B97: PyWrapper_New (descrobject.c:1068) ==28631== by 0x4EC2258: _PyObject_GenericGetAttrWithDict (object.c:1434) ==28631== by 0x10A6CD28: __pyx_pw_4sage_9structure_11coerce_dict_16TripleDictEraser_3__call__ (coerce_dict.c:1225) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4E7EB2D: PyObject_CallFunctionObjArgs (abstract.c:2760) ==28631== by 0x4EEA350: PyObject_ClearWeakRefs (weakrefobject.c:881) ==28631== by 0x10429E4F: __pyx_tp_dealloc_4sage_9structure_15category_object_CategoryObject (category_object.c:8989) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4EBA106: insertdict (dictobject.c:530) ==28631== by 0x4EBCB51: PyDict_SetItem (dictobject.c:775) ==28631== by 0x4EC2517: _PyObject_GenericSetAttrWithDict (object.c:1524) ==28631== by 0x4EC1F5E: PyObject_SetAttr (object.c:1247) ==28631== by 0x4F21600: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:2004) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F1F6A6: PyEval_CallObjectWithKeywords (ceval.c:3890) ==28631== by 0x4F23D5A: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:1739) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F266C1: PyEval_EvalCode (ceval.c:667)
and
==28631== Invalid read of size 8 ==28631== at 0x4F5FC1E: PyObject_GC_Del (gcmodule.c:210) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4EBA106: insertdict (dictobject.c:530) ==28631== by 0x4EBCB51: PyDict_SetItem (dictobject.c:775) ==28631== by 0x4EC2517: _PyObject_GenericSetAttrWithDict (object.c:1524) ==28631== by 0x4EC1F5E: PyObject_SetAttr (object.c:1247) ==28631== by 0x4F21600: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:2004) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F1F6A6: PyEval_CallObjectWithKeywords (ceval.c:3890) ==28631== by 0x4F23D5A: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:1739) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F266C1: PyEval_EvalCode (ceval.c:667) ==28631== by 0x4F24388: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4718) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4E8C46F: instancemethod_call (classobject.c:2578) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F21828: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4239) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F2422C: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:4117) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== Address 0xbd30360 is 0 bytes inside a block of size 256 free'd ==28631== at 0x4C28B16: free (vg_replace_malloc.c:446) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4F5F112: collect (gcmodule.c:770) ==28631== by 0x4F5FB06: _PyObject_GC_Malloc (gcmodule.c:996) ==28631== by 0x4F5FB3C: _PyObject_GC_New (gcmodule.c:1467) ==28631== by 0x4E98B97: PyWrapper_New (descrobject.c:1068) ==28631== by 0x4EC2258: _PyObject_GenericGetAttrWithDict (object.c:1434) ==28631== by 0x10A6CD28: __pyx_pw_4sage_9structure_11coerce_dict_16TripleDictEraser_3__call__ (coerce_dict.c:1225) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4E7EB2D: PyObject_CallFunctionObjArgs (abstract.c:2760) ==28631== by 0x4EEA350: PyObject_ClearWeakRefs (weakrefobject.c:881) ==28631== by 0x10429E4F: __pyx_tp_dealloc_4sage_9structure_15category_object_CategoryObject (category_object.c:8989) ==28631== by 0x4ED96C5: subtype_dealloc (typeobject.c:1014) ==28631== by 0x4EBA106: insertdict (dictobject.c:530) ==28631== by 0x4EBCB51: PyDict_SetItem (dictobject.c:775) ==28631== by 0x4EC2517: _PyObject_GenericSetAttrWithDict (object.c:1524) ==28631== by 0x4EC1F5E: PyObject_SetAttr (object.c:1247) ==28631== by 0x4F21600: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:2004) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4EA8F65: function_call (funcobject.c:526) ==28631== by 0x4E7DFED: PyObject_Call (abstract.c:2529) ==28631== by 0x4F1F6A6: PyEval_CallObjectWithKeywords (ceval.c:3890) ==28631== by 0x4F23D5A: PyEval_EvalFrameEx (ceval.c:1739) ==28631== by 0x4F26587: PyEval_EvalCodeEx (ceval.c:3253) ==28631== by 0x4F266C1: PyEval_EvalCode (ceval.c:667)
comment:348 Changed 9 years ago by
Sorry, I am not experienced enough with valgrind. I don't even know what we learn from the valgrind output. Does it tell in what function/method the invalid read occur? Does it tell what is the reason for the read being invalid? I mean: Does the read concern data that have previously been freed, or what happens?
comment:349 Changed 9 years ago by
The first line is the error, like "Invalid read of size 8" = the code wants to read 8 bytes from a location that it is not on the stack or hasn't been malloc'ed. Then follows the stack backtrace, first the function that caused the error then the calling function etc (just like gdb).
Valgrind will keep info about the most recent free's to give you a better diagnostic (this has been freed previously and you are this far into the freed space) but it won't track all frees that have ever happened (which would be prohibitive ram usage). There are some options to control this, for example
freelistvol=<number> volume of freed blocks queue [20000000] freelistbigblocks=<number> releases first blocks with size >= [1000000]
see also valgrind help
comment:350 Changed 9 years ago by
With a trial of sage5.6.beta2, I get the following doctest error on the Skynet machine mark
(Solaris SPARC 32bit):
sage t long force_lib devel/sage/sage/calculus/wester.py ********************************************************************** File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/devel/sagemain/sage/calculus/wester.py", line 456: sage: d = m.determinant() Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1231, in run_one_test self.run_one_example(test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/bin/sagedoctest.py", line 38, in run_one_example OrigDocTestRunner.run_one_example(self, test, example, filename, compileflags) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/bin/ncadoctest.py", line 1172, in run_one_example compileflags, 1) in test.globs File "<doctest __main__.example_0[153]>", line 1, in <module> d = m.determinant()###line 456: sage: d = m.determinant() File "matrix2.pyx", line 1167, in sage.matrix.matrix2.Matrix.determinant (sage/matrix/matrix2.c:8553) File "matrix_symbolic_dense.pyx", line 436, in sage.matrix.matrix_symbolic_dense.Matrix_symbolic_dense.charpoly (sage/matrix/matrix_symbolic_dense.c:3556) File "expression.pyx", line 4911, in sage.symbolic.expression.Expression.polynomial (sage/symbolic/expression.cpp:23554) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/symbolic/expression_conversions.py", line 1056, in polynomial res = converter() File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/symbolic/expression_conversions.py", line 214, in __call__ return self.arithmetic(ex, operator) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/symbolic/expression_conversions.py", line 1010, in arithmetic ops = [self(a) for a in ex.operands()] File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/symbolic/expression_conversions.py", line 214, in __call__ return self.arithmetic(ex, operator) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/symbolic/expression_conversions.py", line 1011, in arithmetic return reduce(operator, ops) File "element.pyx", line 1682, in sage.structure.element.RingElement.__mul__ (sage/structure/element.c:14096) File "polynomial_element.pyx", line 1156, in sage.rings.polynomial.polynomial_element.Polynomial._mul_ (sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_element.c:11992) File "polynomial_element.pyx", line 6165, in sage.rings.polynomial.polynomial_element.Polynomial_generic_dense.__richcmp__ (sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_element.c:42959) File "element.pyx", line 843, in sage.structure.element.Element._richcmp (sage/structure/element.c:7870) File "coerce.pyx", line 854, in sage.structure.coerce.CoercionModel_cache_maps.canonical_coercion (sage/structure/coerce.c:7932) File "coerce.pyx", line 1009, in sage.structure.coerce.CoercionModel_cache_maps.coercion_maps (sage/structure/coerce.c:9483) File "coerce.pyx", line 1150, in sage.structure.coerce.CoercionModel_cache_maps.discover_coercion (sage/structure/coerce.c:11033) File "parent.pyx", line 1974, in sage.structure.parent.Parent.coerce_map_from (sage/structure/parent.c:13804) File "parent.pyx", line 2068, in sage.structure.parent.Parent.discover_coerce_map_from (sage/structure/parent.c:14231) File "parent_old.pyx", line 507, in sage.structure.parent_old.Parent._coerce_map_from_ (sage/structure/parent_old.c:6428) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_ring.py", line 554, in _coerce_map_from_ return self.coerce_map_from(base_ring) * connecting File "map.pyx", line 649, in sage.categories.map.Map.__mul__ (sage/categories/map.c:4578) File "map.pyx", line 689, in sage.categories.map.Map._composition (sage/categories/map.c:4696) File "/home/buildbot/build/sage/mark1/mark_full/build/sage5.6.beta2/local/lib/python/sitepackages/sage/categories/homset.py", line 261, in Hom _cache[key] = KeyedRef(H, _cache.eraser, (id(X),id(Y),id(category))) File "coerce_dict.pyx", line 451, in sage.structure.coerce_dict.TripleDict.__setitem__ (sage/structure/coerce_dict.c:2933) File "coerce_dict.pyx", line 471, in sage.structure.coerce_dict.TripleDict.set (sage/structure/coerce_dict.c:3199) KeyError: (26976432, 83278464, 7649040) **********************************************************************
The error is reproducible, except that the numbers in the KeyError
change.
comment:351 Changed 9 years ago by
Thanks for the report, there is definitely something wrong with our Python refcounting and use of weakrefs. I'm currently investigating this using a debug build of Python. With it, some ref counts get negative very quickly and Sage aborts because of the assert which are now tested. In fact, while importing Sage, Python just has the time to:
 create the empty set in sage/structure/parent.pyx
 create the Mathematica interface in sage/interfaces/mathematica.pyx
 assert fails and abort.
Any idea if Sage ever worked correctly with such a build? I'm rebuilding a Sage 5.2 with such a build just to see.
comment:352 followup: ↓ 353 Changed 9 years ago by
Bad (?) news, Sage 5.2 fails the same way. I've got some FLINT related patches on top of vanilla 5.2 but have double checked I have nothing related to the memleak tickets.
comment:353 in reply to: ↑ 352 ; followup: ↓ 354 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to jpflori:
Bad (?) news, Sage 5.2 fails the same way. I've got some FLINT related patches on top of vanilla 5.2 but have double checked I have nothing related to the memleak tickets.
It means that the debug build of Python can not (yet) be used to debug the problems introduced by this patch.
I suggest that we move fixing these unrelated problems to a new ticket.
However, the valgrind output suggests that there is something wrong with the new TripleDict
implementation. Is there a way to tell from the valgrind output where (i.e., for instances of what classes) the invalid reads occur? IIRC, you suggested on sagedevel that it could be related with endomorphism rings, kind of "domain and codomain are both decref'd, which is bad if they are the same".
But is that just a guess, or has it been confirmed?
comment:354 in reply to: ↑ 353 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
Replying to jpflori:
Bad (?) news, Sage 5.2 fails the same way. I've got some FLINT related patches on top of vanilla 5.2 but have double checked I have nothing related to the memleak tickets.
It means that the debug build of Python can not (yet) be used to debug the problems introduced by this patch.
If there are indeed additional problems caused by the patches here.
I suggest that we move fixing these unrelated problems to a new ticket.
Agreed.
However, the valgrind output suggests that there is something wrong with the new
TripleDict
implementation. Is there a way to tell from the valgrind output where (i.e., for instances of what classes) the invalid reads occur? IIRC, you suggested on sagedevel that it could be related with endomorphism rings, kind of "domain and codomain are both decref'd, which is bad if they are the same".
Kind of, there is something wrong happening and it involves TripleDict? indeed, but maybe its only a consequence of a previous problem, potentially the assert that fails when Sage starts. Let's say that TripleDict? tries to delete some of its elements but those were already deleted because of a superfluous previous decref. And when Python tries to delete them again (because a final valid strong reference has been deleted), it can randomly segfault (and did not until the inclusion of these patches!).
With the debug build, instead of randomly segfaulting, these spurious decref make the assert clauses abort the program.
A realistic hypothesis is that the decref problems were already present but went unnoticed. It's only the patcehs here which make a deeper use of weakrefs that revealed these previous problems. And hopefully there are no other problems introduced here (frankly after staring for hours at the new TripleDict? code is does not look that bad, so we can hope it is really correct).
But is that just a guess, or has it been confirmed?
That was just a guess, kind of: what could be the more fish here? ok, it is when both domain and codomain are equal.
comment:355 Changed 9 years ago by
The negative refcounts are possibly related to this bug since this means somebody is touching a dead object to decref it.
Do we have a ticket and/or updated spkgs for python/singular somewhere that enable all this debugging if I compile with SAGE_DEBUG=yes
? We should push this out into a beta first, then people can actually look at their own code and see if it does something wrong.
comment:356 followup: ↓ 358 Changed 9 years ago by
I remember  but I do not remember the ticket number  that I had to incref something in the deallocation of something homsetrelated. It could be that it was in groupoids, but I am not sure.
The fact that I had to incref before deallocating suggests that something fishy was going on, and perhaps it is related?
comment:357 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to vbraun:
The negative refcounts are possibly related to this bug since this means somebody is touching a dead object to decref it.
Not sure what you exactly mean. What I meant is that Sage was already decrefing objects too much before the patches here, so maybe we did not add anything wrong here, except that random segfaults which could already have happened before now actually do.
Do we have a ticket and/or updated spkgs for python/singular somewhere that enable all this debugging if I compile with
SAGE_DEBUG=yes
? We should push this out into a beta first, then people can actually look at their own code and see if it does something wrong.
I got one for Python on my computer...
I've opened #13864 (the spkg is not there yet, it will be when I attach the diff).
comment:358 in reply to: ↑ 356 ; followup: ↓ 359 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
I remember  but I do not remember the ticket number  that I had to incref something in the deallocation of something homsetrelated. It could be that it was in groupoids, but I am not sure.
Was it #13447?
The fact that I had to incref before deallocating suggests that something fishy was going on, and perhaps it is related?
comment:359 in reply to: ↑ 358 ; followup: ↓ 361 Changed 9 years ago by
comment:360 Changed 9 years ago by
I noticed that the SAGE_DEBUG
documentation doesn't quite match what we are doing with it. So I proposed to change it at #13865.
comment:361 in reply to: ↑ 359 Changed 9 years ago by
Hopefully the updated Cython 0.17.3 at #13832 might fix the last bugs we encounter. It indeed involves a fix concerning deallocation of weakreferable cdefed classes, see https://groups.google.com/d/topic/cythonusers/4es75DeacRA/discussion for the release annoucement and https://groups.google.com/d/topic/cythonusers/K5EFvq22UNI/discussion for a previous bug report. So the end of the story is that the intensive of weakrefs made here just revealed bugs already present in Sage but which by some chance never produced segfaults.
See some comments as well on testing Sage with a pydebug enable Python at #13864 and the long thread at https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sagedevel/Wt7uxbDkh_A/discussion
comment:362 Changed 9 years ago by
Please note #13870.
comment:363 Changed 9 years ago by
More bad news: #715 + #11521 cause a significant slowdown for the command
sage: time p = polar_plot(lambda t: (100/(100+(tpi/2)^8))*(2sin(7*t)cos(30*t)/2), pi/4, 3*pi/2, color="red",plot_points=1000)
from 22 to 33 seconds. See https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/sagedevel/EzFPIG6EFMI
comment:364 followup: ↓ 365 Changed 9 years ago by
Without #715 and friends,
sage: %prun p = polar_plot(lambda t: (100/(100+(tpi/2)^8))*(2sin(7*t)cos(30*t)/2), pi/4, 3*pi/2, color="red",plot_points=1000)
yields
ncalls tottime percall cumtime percall filename:lineno(function) 88368 12.267 0.000 20.873 0.000 arith.py:1439(gcd) 9263 9.309 0.001 32.102 0.003 <string>:1(<lambda>) 79788/39894 2.004 0.000 2.865 0.000 lazy_attribute.py:506(__get__) 39894 1.599 0.000 4.681 0.000 homset.py:296(__init__) 97631 1.145 0.000 1.737 0.000 arith.py:1611(lcm) 19950 0.961 0.000 6.910 0.000 homset.py:40(Hom) 185999 0.879 0.000 0.880 0.000 {method 'canonical_coercion' of 'sage.structure.coerce.CoercionModel_cache_maps' objects} 8263/999 0.824 0.000 29.602 0.030 plot.py:2307(adaptive_refinement) 39895 0.373 0.000 1.783 0.000 {hasattr} 159576 0.328 0.000 0.328 0.000 {getattr} 14601 0.309 0.000 0.510 0.000 quotient_fields.py:55(gcd) 39890 0.304 0.000 5.033 0.000 homset.py:573(__init__) 116811 0.259 0.000 0.259 0.000 weakref.py:55(__getitem__)
With #715, it becomes
ncalls tottime percall cumtime percall filename:lineno(function) 89840 43.019 0.000 68.180 0.001 arith.py:1489(gcd) 9415 24.524 0.003 97.043 0.010 <string>:1(<lambda>) 82004/41002 5.752 0.000 7.564 0.000 lazy_attribute.py:506(__get__) 41002 4.583 0.000 12.597 0.000 homset.py:353(__init__) 20504 4.108 0.000 19.894 0.001 homset.py:80(Hom) 189095 2.924 0.000 2.925 0.000 {method 'canonical_coercion' of 'sage.structure.coerce.CoercionModel_cache_maps' objects} 99255 2.392 0.000 3.942 0.000 arith.py:1661(lcm) 8415/999 1.517 0.000 88.121 0.088 plot.py:2316(adaptive_refinement) 205132 1.118 0.000 1.699 0.000 weakref.py:223(__new__) 164064 1.088 0.000 1.088 0.000 weakref.py:228(__init__) 41003 0.979 0.000 5.099 0.000 {hasattr} 205132 0.581 0.000 0.581 0.000 {builtin method __new__ of type object at 0x7f9b33e874a0} 164008 0.578 0.000 0.578 0.000 {getattr} 40998 0.546 0.000 13.200 0.000 homset.py:630(__init__) 119635 0.545 0.000 0.545 0.000 weakref.py:55(__getitem__) 14954 0.532 0.000 0.813 0.000 quotient_fields.py:55(gcd) 20499 0.424 0.000 8.366 0.000 rings.py:635(__new__) 133072 0.394 0.000 0.394 0.000 rational_field.py:217(__hash__) 114209 0.370 0.000 0.370 0.000 {method 'lcm' of 'sage.structure.element.PrincipalIdealDomainElement' objects} 40998 0.332 0.000 13.532 0.000 homset.py:30(__init__) 20499 0.330 0.000 0.330 0.000 dynamic_class.py:122(dynamic_class) 20499 0.304 0.000 7.942 0.000 homset.py:23(RingHomset) 119748 0.297 0.000 0.297 0.000 {method 'gcd' of 'sage.rings.integer.Integer' objects} 189095 0.262 0.000 0.262 0.000 {sage.structure.element.get_coercion_model} 61551 0.213 0.000 0.213 0.000 {isinstance} 41002 0.204 0.000 5.303 0.000 sets_cat.py:255(_element_constructor_) 1 0.201 0.201 98.842 98.842 plot.py:2401(generate_plot_points)
So, it seems to me that the slowdown is in the creation of homsets.
First question: Why are so many homsets needed in this example?
Second question: What can we do to make the creation of a homset more efficient?
comment:365 in reply to: ↑ 364 Changed 9 years ago by
comment:366 followup: ↓ 367 Changed 9 years ago by
To me it looks as if most of the extra time is in the symbolic gcd calls. But seriously, why on earth does potting a simple trig function involve anything as sophisticated as creating homsets? And why also are any gcds being computed? Is it that for each of the values t which are being iterated over, which are rational multiples of pi, the evaluation of sin(7*t) and cos (30*t) is being much too clever when all that is needed is a lowprecision numerical value?
comment:367 in reply to: ↑ 366 ; followup: ↓ 368 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to cremona:
To me it looks as if most of the extra time is in the symbolic gcd calls. But seriously, why on earth does potting a simple trig function involve anything as sophisticated as creating homsets?
And in particular: Why is Set of Homomorphisms from Integer Ring to Real Interval Field with 64 bits of precision
created a couple of thousands of times, even with a strong cache?
And why also are any gcds being computed? Is it that for each of the values twhich are being iterated over, which are rational multiples of pi, the evaluation of sin(7*t) and cos (30*t) is being much too clever when all that is needed is a lowprecision numerical value?
I don't know. But in any case, there is a regression in the time for creating a homset. I have opened #13922 for this problem.
comment:368 in reply to: ↑ 367 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
And in particular: Why is
Set of Homomorphisms from Integer Ring to Real Interval Field with 64 bits of precision
created a couple of thousands of times, even with a strong cache?
PS: The category for this homset is always the same, namely the category of euclidean domains. It should definitely not happen that this homset is created more than once, even with a weak cache.
I think this is a bit too vague for a ticket. Robert, could you be more specific or close this?