Opened 2 years ago
Closed 2 years ago
#23185 closed defect (fixed)
A polynomial ring embeds into its fraction field
Reported by:  saraedum  Owned by:  

Priority:  minor  Milestone:  sage8.0 
Component:  commutative algebra  Keywords:  sd86.5, sd87 
Cc:  Merged in:  
Authors:  Julian Rüth  Reviewers:  Marc Masdeu, David Roe 
Report Upstream:  N/A  Work issues:  
Branch:  fa2dcd0 (Commits)  Commit:  fa2dcd05df27798908cb39eb734da8ff4a36c63e 
Dependencies:  #23167, #23204  Stopgaps: 
Description (last modified by )
Currently, this fails:
sage: R.<x> = QQ[] sage: K.<x> = FunctionField(QQ) sage: R.is_subring(K) NotImplementedError sage: R.is_subring(R.fraction_field()) NotImplementedError
but it should return True
.
The latter could be implemented in the category of ring homomorphisms (to find out whether a map is a coercion, just ask for the coercion between those two rings.)
Change History (64)
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9f9a499  A ring embeds into its fraction field

comment:10 Changed 2 years ago by
I expect quite a few doctest failures because error messages change.
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1bf03cd  Merge branch 'u/saraedum/a_polynomial_ring_embeds_into_its_fraction_field' of git://trac.sagemath.org/sage into t/23185/a_polynomial_ring_embeds_into_its_fraction_field

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comment:22 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:23 Changed 2 years ago by
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This has a lot of doctests that fail:
sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/manifolds/differentiable/metric.py # 1 doctest failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py # 5 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/symbolic/expression.pyx # 3 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/hyperelliptic_curves/hyperelliptic_padic_field.py # 11 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/projective/projective_morphism.py # 38 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/sha_tate.py # 1 doctest failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/tests/gospersum.py # 12 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/modules/free_module_element.pyx # 16 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/padics.py # 2 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_point.py # 5 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/modules/free_module.py # 8 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/curves/affine_curve.py # 16 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/combinat/perfect_matching.py # 2 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/constructor.py # 4 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_egros.py # 3 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/projective/projective_point.py # 1 doctest failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/affine/affine_morphism.py # 29 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/rings/polynomial/polynomial_quotient_ring.py # 1 doctest failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/rings/morphism.pyx # 2 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_tate_curve.py # 5 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/generic/morphism.py # 9 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/affine/affine_point.py # 6 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/rings/polynomial/skew_polynomial_element.pyx # 8 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/projective/endPN_minimal_model.py # 2 doctests failed sage t warnlong 100.3 src/sage/schemes/projective/projective_morphism_helper.pyx # 3 doctests failed
In particular, things that have nonunit denominators are failing to factor.
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comment:25 Changed 2 years ago by
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e891a88  Replace isinstance(RingHomomorphism)

0c3d772  fix doctests

b15febb  Fixed two doctests typos.

ea35cc4  Merge branch 'u/aly.deines/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' of git://trac.sagemath.org/sage into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

961b615  Merge remotetracking branch 'origin/develop' into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

d5affa7  The "morphism" might just be a "Map", namely a DefaultConvertMap

382e2d1  fix docbuild

05ee2ca  Merge branch 't/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' into t/23185/a_polynomial_ring_embeds_into_its_fraction_field

1cf2b44  fix doctest output

faed28f  Accept keyword parameters

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Last 10 new commits:
e891a88  Replace isinstance(RingHomomorphism)

0c3d772  fix doctests

b15febb  Fixed two doctests typos.

ea35cc4  Merge branch 'u/aly.deines/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' of git://trac.sagemath.org/sage into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

961b615  Merge remotetracking branch 'origin/develop' into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

d5affa7  The "morphism" might just be a "Map", namely a DefaultConvertMap

382e2d1  fix docbuild

05ee2ca  Merge branch 't/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' into t/23185/a_polynomial_ring_embeds_into_its_fraction_field

1cf2b44  fix doctest output

faed28f  Accept keyword parameters

Last 10 new commits:
e891a88  Replace isinstance(RingHomomorphism)

0c3d772  fix doctests

b15febb  Fixed two doctests typos.

ea35cc4  Merge branch 'u/aly.deines/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' of git://trac.sagemath.org/sage into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

961b615  Merge remotetracking branch 'origin/develop' into t/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion

d5affa7  The "morphism" might just be a "Map", namely a DefaultConvertMap

382e2d1  fix docbuild

05ee2ca  Merge branch 't/23204/remove_ringhomomorphism_coercion' into t/23185/a_polynomial_ring_embeds_into_its_fraction_field

1cf2b44  fix doctest output

faed28f  Accept keyword parameters

comment:27 Changed 2 years ago by
There is no speed regression:
sage: R.<x> = ZpCA(2)[] sage: K=R.fraction_field() sage: a = x/K(3) sage: %timeit R(a) 10000 loops, best of 3: 98.8 µs per loop # before 10000 loops, best of 3: 84.3 µs per loop # after sage: o = K.one() sage: %timeit R(o) 10000 loops, best of 3: 96.5 µs per loop # before 10000 loops, best of 3: 82.2 µs per loop # after
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The tests pass for the files that failed before.
comment:29 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:31 Changed 2 years ago by
The code looks good. Doctests in sage/rings pass. When the patchbot is happy I can give it a positive review.
comment:32 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:33 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:34 followup: ↓ 38 Changed 2 years ago by
Julian, quick (possibly stupid) question. In the class FractionFieldEmbeddingSection?, is _call_with_args doing anything that _call_ isn't? Currently it's the function lacking coverage in fraction_field.py, but maybe we don't need this function?
comment:35 Changed 2 years ago by
 Work issues changed from coverage in fraction_field.py to coverage in fraction_field.py, _richcmp_ is incorrect
comment:36 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:38 in reply to: ↑ 34 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to aly.deines:
Julian, quick (possibly stupid) question. In the class FractionFieldEmbeddingSection?, is _call_with_args doing anything that _call_ isn't? Currently it's the function lacking coverage in fraction_field.py, but maybe we don't need this function?
Some code in schemes does essentially:
sage: K = some_ring.fraction_field() sage: some_ring(K.some_element(), check=False)
I guess it was put there for performance reasons. The check
used to get passed on to the element_constructor
of R
. Now there is a proper map, so we need to consume the extra argument. This is done by implementing _call_with_args
. It does not do anything that _call_
does not but Parent
is calling _call_with_args
if there is any arguments. (I don't really know why Parent
can't just call _call_
with arguments.)
comment:39 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:40 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:41 Changed 2 years ago by
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f3ecd0e  added missing doctest

comment:42 Changed 2 years ago by
Looks good once tests pass.
comment:43 Changed 2 years ago by
One should avoid comparison of types. Using isinstance is the correct way of doing that.
comment:44 Changed 2 years ago by
chapoton: Do you refer to _richcmp_
? So, in general I agree that isinstance
is often better than equality of type. In this case, however, I don't see how someone would inherit from this class and mix this class and its subtype in the same homset – after all this is a coercion, so how should there be another coercion with the same domain and codomain around? At the same time, rewriting this to use isinstance
makes the code more complicated.
comment:45 Changed 2 years ago by
Well, I just wanted to say that comparison of types is not allowed in python3. I spend a lot of time trying to make progress towards python3, and seeing yet more work to be done makes me rather unhappy.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/707674/howtocomparetypeofanobjectinpython
comment:46 Changed 2 years ago by
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Sure. I thought you were talking about ==
and !=
but of course we should do something about <=
and friends here.
comment:47 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:48 Changed 2 years ago by
There is no need for a new kind of richcmp variant. Just do not compare types, but use isinstance.
comment:49 Changed 2 years ago by
This is a very common task and it is apparently very easy to get wrong. So, I think there is a point in providing a helper that makes this easy to write (and mentioning it in Element._richcmp_
) I'd like to keep this one line of code without caring about what op
is exactly, so I'd like to have the new implementation be:
return richcmp_unordered((type(self),self.domain(),self.codomain()) == (type(other),other.domain(),other.codomain()), op)
Or do you have an idea for a similarly short implementation that gets all the cases right?
comment:50 followup: ↓ 51 Changed 2 years ago by
Actually
return richcmp_unordered(type(self) == type(other) and (self.domain(),self.codomain()) == (other.domain(),other.codomain()))
comment:51 in reply to: ↑ 50 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to saraedum:
Actually
return richcmp_unordered(type(self) == type(other) and (self.domain(),self.codomain()) == (other.domain(),other.codomain()))
If you want to do just that (go through a boolean), then use rich_to_bool
In most of the cases, one really wants to compare (for inequalities) the rest, once the type is checked to be correct.
*EDIT* maybe rich_to_bool is not the correct solution here. It is rather used to take as input the result of an oldstyle cmp.
comment:52 Changed 2 years ago by
Trying to find a solution that both of us would agree on, I would suggest :
0) Do no use your new proposal for a richmp_unordered here, but keep this ticket independent from that. You can then try elsewhere to convince that this is a good idea, without preventing the ticket here to be fixed.
1) use here the standard way to implement richcmp, looking like
if not isinstance(other, FractionFieldEmbeddingSection): return NotImplemented return richcmp((self.domain(), self.codomain()), (other.domain(), other.codomain()), op)
comment:53 Changed 2 years ago by
Ok. I think that I am fine with your proposal 1). The only thing I don't like about it is that if domain and codomain implement <=
for whatever reason, then self
will do as well. I am not sure if that's a good idea but I also don't mind.
comment:54 followups: ↓ 56 ↓ 57 Changed 2 years ago by
Shouldn't we raise a TypeError
instead of NotImplemented
? That seems to be what Python3 does:
>>> "" < 0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'str' and 'int'
comment:55 Changed 2 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #23167, #23204, #23529 to #23167, #23204
comment:56 in reply to: ↑ 54 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to saraedum:
Shouldn't we raise a
TypeError
instead ofNotImplemented
? That seems to be what Python3 does:>>> "" < 0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> TypeError: '<' not supported between instances of 'str' and 'int'
No, I do not think so. It seems that NotImplemented? is what one should answer when not knowing how to compare. Python will know what to do with that, hopefuly.
comment:57 in reply to: ↑ 54 ; followup: ↓ 58 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to saraedum:
Shouldn't we raise a
TypeError
instead ofNotImplemented
?
No and let me elaborate on that:
When doing A < B
, Python first calls A.__lt__(B)
(*). If that returns a value different from NotImplemented
, or if this raises an exception, this value or exception is the result of A < B
. On the other hand, if A.__lt__(B)
returns NotImplemented
, then Python calls B.__gt__(A)
(*). If that also returns NotImplemented
, then Python 3 raises a TypeError
. Python 2 falls back to __cmp__
instead.
What I just described is the Python behaviour. In this case, if the parents are not equal, the coercion model is involved too and that by itself does a fallback in case of NotImplemented
.
(*) NOTE: to be very precise, it actually does type(A).__lt__(A, B)
, but that is equivalent to A.__lt__(B)
, except that it does not look in A.__dict__
.
comment:58 in reply to: ↑ 57 Changed 2 years ago by
Thanks for explaining, I was not aware of that.
Replying to jdemeyer:
Replying to saraedum: When doing
A < B
, Python first callsA.__lt__(B)
(*). If that returns a value different fromNotImplemented
, or if this raises an exception, this value or exception is the result ofA < B
. On the other hand, ifA.__lt__(B)
returnsNotImplemented
, then Python callsB.__gt__(A)
(*). If that also returnsNotImplemented
, then Python 3 raises aTypeError
. Python 2 falls back to__cmp__
instead.
Does that not mean that we should favor
if type(self) != type(other): return NotImplemented …
over
if isinstance(other, MyType): return NotImplemented …
as the former means that a subclass can override _richcmp_
with a more specific check and it will always get called? Whereas in the latter it depends on the order of arguments what happens?
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d5cd3c2  Correctly raise NotImplemented in _richcmp_

comment:60 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:61 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:62 Changed 2 years ago by
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I've changed the hashes, since there could be multiple rings with the same fraction field. I ran tests, so if you're happy with these changes, feel free to give a positive review.
comment:63 Changed 2 years ago by
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Most likely, we need to patch
_coerce_map_from_
of function fields to return an injective homomorphism.