Opened 2 years ago
Last modified 2 years ago
#21335 needs_work enhancement
Extend normalize() and use it instead of Maxima in simplify_rational()
Reported by:  rws  Owned by:  

Priority:  major  Milestone:  sage7.4 
Component:  symbolics  Keywords:  
Cc:  Merged in:  
Authors:  Ralf Stephan  Reviewers:  
Report Upstream:  N/A  Work issues:  
Branch:  u/rws/noexpand_simple_options_for_ex_normalize__ (Commits)  Commit:  30bc79e56390859ee732a0d08152cb93bc7528ed 
Dependencies:  #21369, #21529  Stopgaps: 
Description (last modified by )
At the moment normalize()
will not expand factors of fractions. If fractions are combined however, the final numerator is expanded:
sage: ((x^(y/2) + 1)^2*(x^(y/2)  1)^2/(x^y  1)).normalize() (x^(1/2*y) + 1)^2*(x^(1/2*y)  1)^2/(x^y  1) sage: (x + y^2/(x + 2)).normalize() (x^2 + y^2 + 2*x)/(x + 2)
The alternatives are provided atm by Maxima
sage: ((x^(y/2) + 1)^2*(x^(y/2)  1)^2/(x^y  1)).simplify_rational(algorithm='simple') (x^(2*y)  2*x^y + 1)/(x^y  1) sage: (x + y^2/(x + 2)).simplify_rational(algorithm='noexpand') ((x + 2)*x + y^2)/(x + 2)
https://github.com/pynac/pynac/issues/191
After Pynac will have implemented normalize()
options to these effect the calls to Maxima in simplify_rational
should be replaced by the respective calls to Pynac.
Change History (17)
comment:1 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:2 Changed 2 years ago by
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New commits:
b996f4f  version/chksum

91a08d2  changes affecting Sage behaviour or interface

a4f58d7  doctest fixes

ac7d971  revert removal of pos.char. doctests; add "known bug"

3dd8058  address reviewer's comments

1f29305  add doctest

0065f62  address reviewer's comments

129b6e6  use normal() instead of Maxima

comment:6 Changed 2 years ago by
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Branch pushed to git repo; I updated commit sha1. New commits:
b06cfa0  Fix _eval_self(float) for "real" complex expressions

fd9fa19  Merge branch 'u/jdemeyer/update_to_pynac_0_6_9' of trac.sagemath.org:sage into t/21335/noexpand_simple_options_for_ex_normalize__

c69fd2e  21335: fullratsimp: replace calls to Maxima with Pynac ones

comment:7 Changed 2 years ago by
Three doctest fails in symbolic/expression.pyx
.
comment:8 Changed 2 years ago by
 Summary changed from Noexpand/simple options for ex.normalize() to Extend normalize() and use it instead of Maxima in simplify_rational()
comment:9 Changed 2 years ago by
 Dependencies changed from #21369 to #21369, #21529
comment:10 Changed 2 years ago by
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Branch pushed to git repo; I updated commit sha1. New commits:
a8eba31  Merge branch 'develop' into t/21335/noexpand_simple_options_for_ex_normalize__

2ea5c31  21529: fix bug in factoring of general symbolic expressions

c4932f8  Merge branch 'u/rws/bug_in_factoring_of_general_symbolic_expressions' of trac.sagemath.org:sage into t/21335/noexpand_simple_options_for_ex_normalize__

comment:11 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:12 Changed 2 years ago by
Minor point: "and and" should be "and".
Apart from that, I don't understand why algorithm="full"
attempts to factor the simplified fraction (which is a potentially costly operation). Is there something in the way the Pynac normal()
function works that makes it necessary to do so?
comment:13 followup: ↓ 15 Changed 2 years ago by
Indeed the performance question was the source of some headaches to me, as well. I figured at the time consistency with Maxima behaviour was more important. Without factor
the following doctests will fail:
File "src/sage/symbolic/expression.pyx", line 9427, in sage.symbolic.expression.Expression.simplify_rational Failed example: f.simplify_rational() Expected: 2*sqrt(x  1)/sqrt((x + 1)*(x  1)) Got: ((x  1)^(3/2)  sqrt(x  1)*x  sqrt(x  1))/sqrt((x + 1)*(x  1)) ********************************************************************** File "src/sage/symbolic/expression.pyx", line 9451, in sage.symbolic.expression.Expression.simplify_rational Failed example: g.simplify_rational() Expected: x^y  1 Got: (x^(2*y)  2*x^y + 1)/(x^y  1)
comment:14 Changed 2 years ago by
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comment:15 in reply to: ↑ 13 ; followup: ↓ 16 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to rws:
Indeed the performance question was the source of some headaches to me, as well. I figured at the time consistency with Maxima behaviour was more important.
I don't know exactly what either Maxima or Pynac does, but just by chance, do you think it would be okay to keep the loop but expand the denominators instead of calling factor()
?
comment:16 in reply to: ↑ 15 Changed 2 years ago by
Replying to mmezzarobba:
I don't know exactly what either Maxima or Pynac does, but just by chance, do you think it would be okay to keep the loop but expand the denominators instead of calling
factor()
?
This will, additionally to the two doctests above, fail this doctest:
File "src/sage/symbolic/expression.pyx", line 9458, in sage.symbolic.expression.Expression.simplify_rational Failed example: f.simplify_rational() Expected: (2*x^2 + 5*x + 4)/((x + 2)^2*(x + 1)) Got: (2*x^2 + 5*x + 4)/(x^3 + 5*x^2 + 8*x + 4)
comment:17 Changed 2 years ago by
 Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
I think I see now how to resolve the three tests without factoring. Pynac's gcd needs to be a bit more aware of powers in the expression and needs to replace some of them with new symbols. This way also exponentials can be handled identically (which does not work atm).
This is implemented in Pynac master
but one doctest depends on #21360. Also, nested application ("full") needs to be done.