A class to manage embedding between non-prime fields

[David Lucas]

In Sage, there is no general mechanism to manage the embedding of elements of a finite extension field in one of its subfields.

We propose here a class which takes care of that.

Considering a big, non-prime field Fqm and one of its subfields Fq, this class is able to give either a polynomial or a vectorial representation of an element of Fqm in Fq.

[David Lucas]

I pushed my code, and I open this ticket for review.

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New commits:

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New class to manage embeddings between non-prime fields

[David Lucas]

By the way, as I'm not sure where to put my code, I left it (for now) in sage/coding...

[Johan Rosenkilde]

Just to be precise: Sage already supports embedding a small field GF(p^s) into a larger one GF(p^(sm)) (by using Fsmall.extension(m, map=True)). It also supports the inverse map (returned by the section() method on the embedding map).

The new functionality of this ticket is to support representing any GF(p^(sm)) element in a basis over GF(p^s). AFAIK, the current implementation supports this with only one particular choice of bases: if 1, beta, ..., beta^(sm-1) is the basis of GF(p^(sm)) that Sage currently uses natively, then it is always the case that 1, beta, ..., beta^(m-1) is a basis of GF(p^(sm)) over GF(p^s). This is the basis employed by the current ticket.

More precisely, it gives a function that takes an element e in GF(p^(sm)) and returns a vector (v[0],...,v[m-1]) in GF(p^s)^m, such that

    e = sum_{i=0}^{m-1} phi(v[i]) * beta^i

where phi is a given embedding from GF(p^s) into GF(p^(sm)).

Best, Johan

[git]

Branch pushed to git repo; I updated commit sha1. New commits:

​7ffd2c0	Update to 7.3beta2
​74a8c23	representation_matrix is now a private method
​4f4c0a6	Changed names: Fqm over Fq is now designated as a relative finite field extension
​87deeba	Changed return value of big_field_representation
​0eb1d5a	Changed naming: small field -> relative field, big field -> absolute field
​38b77f9	Added method to check if an element of the absolute field is in the relative field under the embedding

[David Lucas]

Hello,

I made some changes to the class:

• I completely changed its nomenclature, which is now based on the one defined for ​relative extensions.
• I changed the behaviour of some methods.
• I added a method to check if an element of the "big field" is in the relative field under the embedding.

This is still open for review.

Best,

David

[Vincent Delecroix]

Two naive questions:

• Why is this in sage/coding?
• Why not extending the preceding existing embedding class?

Vincent

[Johan Rosenkilde]

Replying to vdelecroix:

Two naive questions:

• Why is this in sage/coding?
• Why not extending the preceding existing embedding class?

Because we did not know where to put it, and we didn't get input from anyone. We need the functionality for several things in sage/coding, so we just wanted to add it. And it's on the agenda for Sage Days 75 to merge it much more sensibly with the rest of Sage.

Incidentally, will you be coming for SD75?

[Vincent Delecroix]

Replying to jsrn:

Replying to vdelecroix:

Two naive questions:

• Why is this in sage/coding?
• Why not extending the preceding existing embedding class?

Because we did not know where to put it, and we didn't get input from anyone. We need the functionality for several things in sage/coding, so we just wanted to add it. And it's on the agenda for Sage Days 75 to merge it much more sensibly with the rest of Sage.

Would make more sense with everything about finite field, no? That is to say sage/rings/finite_rings/.

Incidentally, will you be coming for SD75?

Sadly not. I will be in Chile at that time.

[Jean-Pierre Flori]

I'll be there at sd75. And I do agree it would nice to use such functionalities in a more general setting. We could still put it in coding first and move it later.

[David Lucas]

Hello,

And I do agree it would nice to use such functionalities in a more general setting. We could still put it in coding first and move it later.

I would indeed prefer to put it in coding first, as it locks several very useful tickets for us (#20039, #20100, #20335) while it's not reviewed. Furthermore, we need it for our GSoC project on rank-metric codes.

I can put an experimental warning in it: this way, we will be able to move it later on without being worried by deprecation warnings.

Best,

David

[Johan Rosenkilde]

I can put an experimental warning in it: this way, we will be able to move it later on without being worried by deprecation warnings.

+1

[git]

Branch pushed to git repo; I updated commit sha1. New commits:

​311b960	Added experimental warning for RelativeFiniteFieldExtension
​2492c31	Added relative_finite_field_extension to sage.coding's index.rst

[David Lucas]

I added this experimental warning to the class.

I also added this module in sage.coding's index.

[Arpit Merchant]

I went through the reviewer's checklist and all the tests pass. The naming conventions are quite suitable and make it easier to interpret the functions. Giving it a positive review.

[Maarten Derickx]

Was there ever a follow up ticket created?

[Vincent Delecroix]

Replying to mderickx:

Was there ever a follow up ticket created?

I don't think so. At least the code is still there in sage/coding/relative_finite_field_extension.py.

<rant start> It is a pitty that this ticket has been merged despite my objections in comment:7. It should have definitely be a file in sage/rings/finite_field/ so that people actually working with finite field would have noticed. Putting a blob of general purpose functionalities in a specialized repository is not the way to proceed. People are free to do that on their home git repository but would better avoid such practice in a large public open source software. <rant end>

[Jean-Pierre Flori]

So let's create one: #23828.

There is also the old and somehow useless #8751. And related works: ​https://github.com/wbhart/flint2/issues/366

[Johan Rosenkilde]

The follow-up ticket is #21413. It was created shortly after SD75 following discussion between Xavier Caruso, Luca De Feo, Nicola Thierry, Bruno Grenet and myself. The main difficulty in moving the code to /sage/rings/ is to find the proper and general interface. Xavier in particular came up with centering these kinds of embeddings around the algebra induced by the field extension L/K.

The ticket #21413 then stalled because of lack of time, I think, and because we hit a snag wrt. implicit coercion vs use of multiplication btw. elements of the L/K algebra and elements of K leading to (perhaps) unintuitive non-commutative behaviour. See the discussion on that ticket for a more precise description.

[Jean-Pierre Flori]

Argh then let's already close #23828.

[Vincent Delecroix]

See also #24170