Opened 5 years ago
Last modified 3 weeks ago
#19269 needs_info enhancement
add category Posets to ZZ and QQ
Reported by: | dkrenn | Owned by: | |
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Priority: | major | Milestone: | sage-9.2 |
Component: | categories | Keywords: | |
Cc: | ncohen, behackl, tscrim, nthiery | Merged in: | |
Authors: | Daniel Krenn | Reviewers: | |
Report Upstream: | N/A | Work issues: | |
Branch: | u/dkrenn/cat/ZZ-poset (Commits) | Commit: | c1d0720cc0b80041c8fdda8c85ec89bc031749ae |
Dependencies: | Stopgaps: |
Description (last modified by )
ZZ
and QQ
should have the category Posets
as well.
See also https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sage-devel/DhRfKlCcmL4/IO1ikjxSDQAJ
Change History (15)
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comment:6 follow-up: ↓ 12 Changed 5 years ago by
Hola,
We should try to make the cartesian products of copies of ZZ
compatible with the current behavior of ZZ^n
(actually, I would feel more confortable if cartesian_product([ZZ,ZZ])
would return ZZ^2
). But vectors are compared with respect to the lexicographic ordering
sage: V = ZZ^2 sage: my_list = [V((i,j)) for i in range(3) for j in range(3)] [(0, 0), (0, 1), (0, 2), (1, 0), (1, 1), (1, 2), (2, 0), (2, 1), (2, 2)]
So it is not (strictly speaking) a cartesian product of posets. Several solutions:
- change the behavior of comparisons for vectors
- modify
richcmp
to be the product order and keepcmp
to be the lexicographic ordering in order to keep the sort feature... we will have some Python3 troubles later on - break the sort operation
- modify
- find a compromise with respect to the order of the product (how?)
Having so many category for ZZ
might also be a problem when it comes to morphisms. What should be
sage: Hom(ZZ,ZZ) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2)
In the category of Euclidean domains + Posets
there are few elements! And most of the time, when people think about ZZ^2
they do not care about the poset structure. Something likethe following should work out of the box
sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Posets()) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Modules(ZZ))
My question is about the default behavior of Hom
with this multiple categories.
Vincent
comment:7 follow-up: ↓ 9 Changed 5 years ago by
Could you base the branch on the latest beta? Trac is not able to automatically merge.
comment:8 Changed 5 years ago by
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comment:9 in reply to: ↑ 7 Changed 5 years ago by
Replying to vdelecroix:
Could you base the branch on the latest beta? Trac is not able to automatically merge.
Done.
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- Cc behackl added
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- Status changed from needs_work to needs_info
comment:12 in reply to: ↑ 6 ; follow-up: ↓ 13 Changed 5 years ago by
Replying to vdelecroix:
Having so many category for
ZZ
might also be a problem when it comes to morphisms. What should besage: Hom(ZZ,ZZ) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2)In the category of
Euclidean domains + Posets
there are few elements! And most of the time, when people think aboutZZ^2
they do not care about the poset structure. Something likethe following should work out of the boxsage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Posets()) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Modules(ZZ))My question is about the default behavior of
Hom
with this multiple categories.
What would be a solution to this or what are possible scenarios? What can we do to get this ticket (make ZZ and QQ posets) towards a positive review?
comment:13 in reply to: ↑ 12 ; follow-up: ↓ 14 Changed 5 years ago by
Replying to dkrenn:
Replying to vdelecroix:
Having so many category for
ZZ
might also be a problem when it comes to morphisms. What should besage: Hom(ZZ,ZZ) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2)In the category of
Euclidean domains + Posets
there are few elements! And most of the time, when people think aboutZZ^2
they do not care about the poset structure. Something likethe following should work out of the boxsage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Posets()) sage: Hom(ZZ^2, ZZ^2, Modules(ZZ))My question is about the default behavior of
Hom
with this multiple categories.What would be a solution to this or what are possible scenarios? What can we do to get this ticket (make ZZ and QQ posets) towards a positive review?
Indeed, it was a question... One possibility: make some priorities for the Hom
functor in sage.categories.homset
.
Currently, to deduce the category of Hom(X,Y)
the functor does X.category()._meet_(Y.category())
which is documented as being "the largest common subcategory of self and other". Instead of _meet_
one could try to implement a more dedicated method that forget some of the categories (such as the Poset one if there is some algebraic structure).
Vincent
comment:14 in reply to: ↑ 13 Changed 5 years ago by
Replying to vdelecroix:
Indeed, it was a question... One possibility: make some priorities for the
Hom
functor insage.categories.homset
.Currently, to deduce the category of
Hom(X,Y)
the functor doesX.category()._meet_(Y.category())
which is documented as being "the largest common subcategory of self and other". Instead of_meet_
one could try to implement a more dedicated method that forget some of the categories (such as the Poset one if there is some algebraic structure).
This could be something like an negated version of extra_super_categories
, which kicks the specified (forbidden) categories out...
comment:15 Changed 3 weeks ago by
- Cc tscrim nthiery added
- Milestone changed from sage-6.9 to sage-9.2
New commits:
add category Posets to QQ
implement le for QQ
add category Posets to ZZ
implement le for ZZ
fix doctests