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#17400 needs_work defect
simplify_full returns odd result from symbolic series input
Reported by:  rws  Owned by:  

Priority:  major  Milestone:  sage7.4 
Component:  symbolics  Keywords:  
Cc:  Merged in:  
Authors:  Ralf Stephan  Reviewers:  
Report Upstream:  N/A  Work issues:  
Branch:  u/rws/174001 (Commits)  Commit:  22c947a8ee6d435db6d103246e88674d50e12286 
Dependencies:  #17399, #17659  Stopgaps: 
Description (last modified by )
SR
.series will lose the order term when passed to Maxima. Thus only the coefficients may be simplified, and this must be done in all simplify*
functions.
sage: x=var('x') sage: s=(1/(1x)).series(x,6) sage: s.coeffs() [[x^5 + x^4 + x^3 + x^2 + x + Order(x^6) + 1, 0]] sage: s.simplify_full().coeffs() [[Order(x^6) + 1, 0], [1, 1], [1, 2], [1, 3], [1, 4], [1, 5]]
See also the related #17399.
Originally found in http://ask.sagemath.org/question/24968/coefficientsinpolynomialringoversymbolicring/
Also, series
should simplify its terms on a perterm basis:
sage: var('x,y') (x, y) sage: ex=1/(1x*yx^2) sage: ex.series(x,5) 1 + (y)*x + (y^2 + 1)*x^2 + ((y^2 + 1)*y + y)*x^3 + (((y^2 + 1)*y + y)*y + y^2 + 1)*x^4 + Order(x^5)
Compare with e.g. Pari:
? 1/(1x*yx^2) + O(x^5) %1 = 1 + y*x + (y^2 + 1)*x^2 + (y^3 + 2*y)*x^3 + (y^4 + 3*y^2 + 1)*x^4 + O(x^5)
Both issues can be fixed by writing series simplification methods.
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There are no power series objects in Maxima, just conversion to infinite sums, i.e. formal power series:
sage: maxima.powerseries(x^2+1/(1x),x,0) 'sum(_SAGE_VAR_x^i2,i2,0,inf)+_SAGE_VAR_x^2 sage: maxima.powerseries(x^2+1/(1x),x,0).sage() x^2 + sum(x^i3, i3, 0, +Infinity)
The Taylor series objects have an order parameter on creation, but this does not get output or translated to Sage:
sage: maxima.taylor(1+x+x^2+x^3,x,0,3) 1+_SAGE_VAR_x+_SAGE_VAR_x^2+_SAGE_VAR_x^3 sage: maxima.taylor(1+x+x^2+x^3,x,0,3).sage() x^3 + x^2 + x + 1
so there is no way around it that SR
.series will lose the order term when passed to Maxima. Thus only the coefficients may be simplified, and this must be done in or called from all simplify*
functions.
comment:5 Changed 5 years ago by
The following functions call Maxima, have a meaning /wrt series, and therefore need to be modified:
simplify
, simplify_trig
, simplify_rectform
, simplify_rational
, simplify_log
, expand_log
, expand_trig
.
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Proof of concept.
New commits:
a4d2084  17659: make symbolic series subclass of Expression

ed003f0  16203: make imports more specific to prevent import loops

32ae67c  17399: do not let maxima handle ex.series coefficients

99820cf  17399: roll back previous commit to allow merge of 17428

168b659  Merge branch 'u/rws/coefficients_of_symbolic_expressions_revamp' of trac.sagemath.org:sage into t/17399/fix_coefficients_for_symbolic_series

6cd5286  17399: handle series in ex.coefficients()

0b9914f  17399: remove whitespace changes

2e74911  Merge commit '0b9914f8b6cd4cb0f885f0550bfd375d80495a71' of trac.sagemath.org:sage into t/17400/simplify_full_returns_odd_result_from_symbolic_series_input

2660235  17400: implement series.simplify_full()

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Squashed it all into one commit.
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2643553  17400: merge 17659, add simplify/expand methods for SymbolicSeries

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Pending because #17659 is pending.
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No, you're right. Maybe there are conflicts with #17402.
comment:17 Changed 4 years ago by
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Merge conflict, possibly with #20088
comment:18 in reply to: ↑ 4 Changed 4 years ago by
Replying to rws:
There are no power series objects in Maxima, [...] The Taylor series objects have an order parameter on creation, but this does not get output or translated to Sage
So there are power seriestype object in maxima. We could just access those then and use them to translate backandforth. It's a bit of a question how much functionality maxima has for it and whether maxima itself works with them faithfully.
The internal representation seems to be a bit complicated:
sage: P=maxima_calculus.taylor(exp(x),x,0,5) sage: P 1+_SAGE_VAR_x+_SAGE_VAR_x^2/2+_SAGE_VAR_x^3/6+_SAGE_VAR_x^4/24+_SAGE_VAR_x^5/120 sage: P.ecl() <ECL: ((MRAT SIMP (((MEXPT SIMP) $%E $_SAGE_VAR_x) $_SAGE_VAR_x) (#:%e^_SAGE_VAR_x2396 #:_SAGE_VAR_x2397) (($_SAGE_VAR_x ((5 . 1)) 0 NIL #:_SAGE_VAR_x2397 . 2)) TRUNC) PS (#:_SAGE_VAR_x2397 . 2) ((5 . 1)) ((0 . 1) 1 . 1) ((1 . 1) 1 . 1) ((2 . 1) 1 . 2) ((3 . 1) 1 . 6) ((4 . 1) 1 . 24) ((5 . 1) 1 . 120))>
but fundamentally everything is there to create/peel apart these objects.
(note that it would be a bit harder to work with these objects via the expectinterface to maxima)
A basic explanation of the MRAT format is here: http://def.fe.up.pt/pipermail/maximadiscuss/2005/010416.html
EDIT: never mind, this isn't suitable for power series. This whole "TRUNC" property is very fickle (and it doesn't carry proper order information). It disappears with very trivial arithmetic already.
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e3907ec  Merge branch 'develop' into t/17400/174001

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Two doctests failing, see patchbot.
Probably with symbolic series, only coefficients should be simplified in the
simplify*
functions.