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Closed 10 years ago

# When comparing ideals, try to avoid computing the Gröbner basis of a copy of the ideal

Reported by: Owned by: SimonKing malb major sage-duplicate/invalid/wontfix commutative algebra malb Simon King N/A #12802

### Description

We define a polynomial ring, some ideal, and a copy of that ideal.

```sage: P.<x,y> = QQ[]
sage: J = [x^4*y^4 + 2*x^2*y^5 + y^6 - 2/3*x^2*y^2 - 2/3*y^3 + 1/9, 9/16*y^6 - x^2*y^3 + 3/2*x*y^4 + 1/2*y^5 + 4/9*x^4 - 4/3*x^3*y + 5/9*x^2*y^2 + 2/3*x*y^3 + 1/9*y^4 + 12*y^3 - 32/3*x^2 + 16*x*y + 16/3*y^2 + 64, y^8 - 2/5*x^3*y^4 + 1/25*x^6 - 4/11*x*y^4 + 6*y^5 + 4/55*x^4 - 6/5*x^3*y + 10*y^4 - 2*x^3 + 4/121*x^2 - 12/11*x*y + 9*y^2 - 20/11*x + 30*y + 25, 1/400*x^4*y^4 - 1/5*x^5*y^2 - 1/20*x^4*y^3 + 4*x^6 + 2*x^5*y + 11/20*x^4*y^2 - 12*x^5 - 3*x^4*y + 9*x^4]*P
sage: J2 = J.gens()*P
```

We have:

```sage: %timeit J==J2
5 loops, best of 3: 642 ms per loop
sage: _ = J.groebner_basis()
sage: %timeit J==J2
5 loops, best of 3: 642 ms per loop
sage: _ = J2.groebner_basis()
sage: %timeit J==J2
625 loops, best of 3: 6.67 µs per loop
```

Hence, only when the Gröbner bases of both arguments are cached, then the cached Gröbner bases are used. As one can see by reading the code, even if only one argument does not have the Gröbner basis cached, then Gröbner bases are computed for degrevlex copies of both arguments.

Why copies? We have the same ring here, and we have degrevlex anyway. So, there is no need to copy.

Suggestion: Make the algorithm slightly more clever, so that taking a copy is avoided when the ring is degrevlex anyway. One could also consider to prepend a quick test, such as: Compare the set of generators, and compute Gröbner bases only if the quick test does not suffice to prove equality.

### comment:1 Changed 10 years ago by SimonKing

• Status changed from new to needs_review

### comment:2 Changed 10 years ago by SimonKing

• Milestone changed from sage-5.1 to sage-duplicate/invalid/wontfix
• Reviewers set to Simon King
• Status changed from needs_review to positive_review

It seems that this problem shall be dealt with at #12802. Hence, I'll mark it as duplicate.

### comment:3 Changed 10 years ago by jdemeyer

• Dependencies set to #12802

### comment:4 Changed 10 years ago by SimonKing

Jeroen, why "dependency"? This here is really just a duplicate.

### comment:5 Changed 10 years ago by jdemeyer

• Resolution set to duplicate
• Status changed from positive_review to closed
• Summary changed from When comparing ideals, ty to avoid computing the Gröbner basis of a copy of the ideal to When comparing ideals, try to avoid computing the Gröbner basis of a copy of the ideal
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