Opened 9 years ago
Last modified 8 years ago
#11943 closed enhancement
The category graph should comply with Python's method resolution order — at Version 83
Reported by: | SimonKing | Owned by: | nthiery |
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Priority: | major | Milestone: | sage-5.1 |
Component: | categories | Keywords: | category graph, method resolution order |
Cc: | hivert, mderickx | Merged in: | |
Authors: | Simon King | Reviewers: | |
Report Upstream: | N/A | Work issues: | |
Branch: | Commit: | ||
Dependencies: | #11900, #7980 | Stopgaps: |
Description (last modified by )
Let C be a category. C.all_super_categories()
starts with C.super_categories()
and finds all super categories inductively.
Unfortunately, the algorithm of C.all_super_categories()
does not comply with the C3 algorithm, that is used by Python to determine the method resolution order for C.parent_class
and C.element_class
.
The aim of this ticket is to be more consistent. Eventually, for any category C (perhaps with modifications for hom categories), one should have
sage: C.parent_class.mro() == [X.parent_class for X in C.all_super_categories()] + [object] True sage: C.element_class.mro() == [X.element_class for X in C.all_super_categories()] + [object] True
and that test should become part of the test suite.
At #11900, the implementation of all_super_categories()
has been changed, so, work should rely on #11900.
Unfortunately, it seems that the C3 algorithm can not simply be imported from Python, even though Python uses it internally, namely in Objects/typeobject.c
. Looking at the implementation, it requires that one gets a list of types, while we want to use it on a list of objects.
Therefore, we need to implement C3 from scratch. Implementing C3 is easy, but if it shall be fast, one needs to be careful.
In particular, one needs to be able to L.pop(0)
quickly, where L is a list. Unfortunately, L.pop(0)
is slow, even in Cython. I found that, if the lists are not too long, it is best to revert L and do L.pop()
instead, which is optimized in Cython. See the discussion at sage-devel.
What my patch does:
- Provide the C3 algorithm in a new extension module
sage.misc.c3
- Use it to compute
all_super_categories()
- Add a test
_test_category_graph
, asserting thatself.parent_class.mro()
andself.all_super_categories()
are compatible.
Apply:
trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy_hook.patch trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy_hook-review-nt.patch
Change History (84)
comment:1 follow-up: ↓ 3 Changed 9 years ago by
comment:2 follow-up: ↓ 4 Changed 9 years ago by
- Dependencies set to #11900
- Status changed from new to needs_review
Patch's up!
To my surprise, the change in the order of super categories was relatively harmless. In few cases, a test involving all_super_categories had to change.
I added a test _test_category_graph
to the Test Suite of categories. By that test, I found one bug in algebra_ideals, which I fixed. Hom categories can not use the new test yet, since it tests the mro of the parent class against the list of parent classes of all super categories - which is fairly inconsistent for hom categories. That is already a "to do", and should be part of the next category overhaule.
Apart from these small changes, all doc tests passed! In particular, I did not need to change super_categories
(except for algebra ideals): The current category graph seems to be consistent!!
That was the good news.
The bad news is that we have a regression in the computation of all_super_categories
. With #11900, we have
sage: L = [Algebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] sage: %time X = [C.all_super_categories() for C in L] CPU times: user 0.74 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 0.75 s Wall time: 0.75 s
With the patches from here added, we only have
sage: L = [Algebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] sage: %time X = [C.all_super_categories() for C in L] CPU times: user 1.06 s, sys: 0.02 s, total: 1.07 s Wall time: 1.08 s
I tried hard to make my C3 implementation as fast as possible in the range we need: few lists (say, 4) of moderate length (not more than 60).
I think the performance should be improved. But a review can already be started.
comment:3 in reply to: ↑ 1 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
With the new test, I found a bug in algebra_ideals: The problem is that the super categories of the category of algebra ideals should be the category of algebra modules. However, while the former accepts non-commutative algebras, the latter wants to see commutative algebras. The clean way to proceed would be: Make algebra modules work over non-commutative rings. If that is too much of work, C.super_categories() should be
[]
if C is the category of algebra ideals over a non-commutative rings.
+1. Actually my patch on #10963 is adding a TODO about it :-)
comment:4 in reply to: ↑ 2 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
To my surprise, the change in the order of super categories was relatively harmless. In few cases, a test involving all_super_categories had to change.
I am not so surprised, since most categories are actually used by some parent (which detects any incompatibility). But it's very nice to detect such incompatibilities earlier on and to catch them systematically in the TestSuite?!
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:5 Changed 9 years ago by
I tried to track down the regression of all_super_categories
. Recall that my patch from #11900 did improve the implementation of all_super_categories
, but did not change the algorithm.
With #11900, the main work is done in _all_super_categories_raw
. With the patch from here, the work is done in c3_algorithm
- and according to %prun, less time is spent in c3_algorithm
than it was in _all_super_categories_raw
. However, more time is spent in the expression
C.all_super_categories() for C in self.super_categories()
I guess I have to improve the implementation of the recursion.
comment:6 follow-up: ↓ 7 Changed 9 years ago by
PS: It also seems that much time is spent in super_categories()
, which is a cached method. Probably it would be better to turn it into a lazy attribute (or have two lazy attributes, namely for the case proper=True
and proper=False
).
Namely, even though #11115 will almost totally reduce the overhead of calling a cached function, a lazy attribute will always be faster.
comment:7 in reply to: ↑ 6 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
PS: It also seems that much time is spent in
super_categories()
, which is a cached method. Probably it would be better to turn it into a lazy attribute (or have two lazy attributes, namely for the caseproper=True
andproper=False
).
Sorry, I meant: One lazy attribute C.super_categories, and two lazy attributes C.all_super_categories and C.all_super_categories_proper (super_categories() has no arguments).
comment:8 Changed 9 years ago by
- Description modified (diff)
I have created a more invasive patch: It turns C.super_categories()
and C.all_super_categories(proper)
into lazy attributes, and it uses the C3 algorithm in a more efficient way.
The two patches are alternative. Personally, I prefer the second patch. If the reviewer disagrees and suggests to use the first patch, I'd like to add one improvement to the first patch. If the reviewer agrees with me, then eventually either this patch or the patch from #11935 needs to be rebased.
I just tested that all doctests pass, with sage-4.7.2.alpha3+#11900+the second patch from here.
And here are some timings: With just #11900:
king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage-4.7.2.alpha3$ time ./sage elltest1.sage real 0m18.089s user 0m17.633s sys 0m0.344s king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage-4.7.2.alpha3$ time ./sage ellbsd.sage real 0m5.578s user 0m5.084s sys 0m0.400s
and
sage: L = [Algebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] sage: %time X = [C.all_super_categories() for C in L] CPU times: user 0.72 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 0.72 s Wall time: 0.73 s
With #11900+the second patch from here:
king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage-4.7.2.alpha3$ time ./sage elltest1.sage real 0m17.799s user 0m17.333s sys 0m0.384s king@mpc622:/mnt/local/king/SAGE/rebase/sage-4.7.2.alpha3$ time ./sage ellbsd.sage real 0m5.408s user 0m4.956s sys 0m0.376s
and
sage: L = [Algebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] # all_super_categories is lazy now, we are not calling it sage: %time X = [C.all_super_categories for C in L] CPU times: user 0.54 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.54 s Wall time: 0.54 s
Note an additional doc test, demonstrating that the new version of all_super_categories can detect inconsistencies:
sage: class X(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [Objects()] sage: class X(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [Objects()] sage: class Y(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [Objects()] sage: class A(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [X(),Y()] sage: class B(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [Y(),X()] sage: class Foo(Category): ... @lazy_attribute ... def super_categories(self): ... return [A(),B()] sage: F = Foo()
Python is not able to create a consistent mro for the parent class - and all_super_categories detects that inconsistency as well:
sage: F.parent_class Traceback (most recent call last): ... TypeError: Cannot create a consistent method resolution order (MRO) for bases X.parent_class, Y.parent_class sage: F.all_super_categories Traceback (most recent call last): ... ValueError: Can not merge the items Category of x, Category of y.
Of course, there still is the new consistency test for the category graph in the test suite.
So, it can really be reviewed now, and my suggestion is:
Apply trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy.patch
comment:9 Changed 9 years ago by
There was no reply on sage-combinat-devel and only little reply on sage-devel: The only reply was Jason Grout stating that the use of attributes is often more pythonic than the use of a method.
So, the idea to turn super_categories and all_super_categories into lazy attributes is supported.
comment:10 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to Preserve super_categories etc. as methods, but introduce a lazy attribute _super_categories
Maarten suggested the following:
What I think would be the best solution in this case would be is: make lazy attributes _super_categories and _all_super_categories Make the functions super_categories and all_super_categories say in the documentation that developers shouldn't use these but that they should use the lazy attributes.
I think that this would be a very good solution indeed.
comment:11 Changed 9 years ago by
I think the following model is best for preserving backwards compatibility:
- If one wants to provide the super categories of a category, one should implement a method super_categories() - this is what one would currently do.
- There is a new lazy attribute _super_categories defined for the base class of categories. That lazy attribute calls the method super_categories(). Of course, calling the method happens only once, so that the speed is acceptable.
- In all applications, the method call super_categories() shall be replaced by getting the attribute _super_categories. That is explained in a note to the developers in the documentation of super_categories.
- There is a lazy attribute _all_super_categories and _all_super_categories_proper, and there is still a method all_super_categories(proper=False). The method returns the appropriate lazy attribute, and the documentation of the method states that one should better use the lazy attributes.
comment:12 Changed 9 years ago by
- Cc hivert mderickx added
- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
- Work issues Preserve super_categories etc. as methods, but introduce a lazy attribute _super_categories deleted
I have changed my patch according to what I learnt from the discussion on sage-devel. Namely:
- I preserved the old methods
super_categories
andall_super_categories
, so that the users can still work with them and can read their documentation. - In particular, if one wants to define a new category, one would still define a method (no need for a cached method) called
super_categories
that returns the immediate super categories. However, the documentation now also states that internally (i.e., for development), the new lazy attributes explained below should be used. - The patch introduces three lazy attributes
_super_categories
,_all_super_categories
and_all_super_categories_proper
that carry the lists of (immediate or all) super categories. If one asks for the super categories in code, the fastest way is to request these lazy attributes, not calling the old methods.
Anyway, why do I see a need to make things faster? Recall that the purpose of this ticket is to order the list of all super categories according to Python's method resolution order, i.e., the C3 algorithm. I did my very best to implement the C3 algorithm as fast as possible. However:
- When I keep super_categories() what they are, then even my best attempt to implement all_super_categories based on C3 resulted in a mild regression.
- When I keep super_categories() what they are (namely cached methods) and use #11115, then there is neither a regression nor a speed-up.
- When I replace super_categories() by _super_categories (a lazy attribute), then I am getting a speed-up, even without #11115.
Here are the data. I've run sage -t devel/sage/sage/schemes/
and found these total running times:
- 620.7 seconds with sage-4.7.3.alpha3
- 600.1 seconds with sage-4.7.3.alpha3 and #11943 (plus dependencies)
That's not much (3.3% speedup), but certainly better than a regression.
comment:13 Changed 9 years ago by
I forgot the patch bot:
Apply trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy.patch
comment:14 follow-up: ↓ 17 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
There is a new suggestion, also based on the sage-devel thread:
If we want to test whether a category C is a super category of a category D, then we currently try to find C in the list of all super categories. But it is much faster to search it in a frozen set of super categories.
So, I suggest to use a lazy attribute _set_of_super_categories
, providing the frozen set. It will be used in is_subcategory
. Of course, the list of super categories should still be available, and its order should comply with Python's mro, according to the subject of this ticket.
Since #11115 is merged into sage-4.7.3.alpha1, I wonder whether it is still necessary to have the list of all super categories as a lazy attribute, or whether a cached method is fast enough. I'll need some tests.
However, I think it is a good idea to have a lazy attribute _super_categories
. In that way, we have the speed even if the user does not use @cached_method when (s)he implements the method super_categories()
.
"Needs work", until I have sorted it out.
comment:15 follow-up: ↓ 18 Changed 9 years ago by
I found another detail that may fit here: Category.is_subcategory
contains the lines
assert(isinstance(c, Category)) if isinstance(self, JoinCategory): for cat in self._super_categories: if cat.is_subcategory(c): return True return False
First, I don't see why it should be needed to assert that c is a Category. It seems like a waste of time to me.
Secondly, the loop does nothing more than to test the cat is in the set of super categories of self. So, it can be safely erased. And it is a lot faster. For example:
With my current patch, we have
sage: P.<x,y> = QQ[] sage: C = CommutativeRings() sage: P.category() Join of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Rational Field sage: P in C True sage: %timeit P in C 625 loops, best of 3: 12.1 µs per loop
With my patch after deletion of the lines criticised above, we have
sage: P.<x,y> = QQ[] sage: C = CommutativeRings() sage: P.category() Join of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Rational Field sage: P in C True sage: %timeit P in C 625 loops, best of 3: 6.39 µs per loop
So, my next patch version will remove these lines, provided that doc tests pass.
comment:17 in reply to: ↑ 14 Changed 9 years ago by
- Milestone set to sage-4.8
Replying to SimonKing:
So, I suggest to use a lazy attribute
_set_of_super_categories
, providing the frozen set. It will be used inis_subcategory
. Of course, the list of super categories should still be available, and its order should comply with Python's mro, according to the subject of this ticket.
+1 (obviously :-)), though I kind of like better _all_super_categories_as_set to insist on the fact that it is very close to all_super_categories.
Since #11115 is merged into sage-4.7.3.alpha1, I wonder whether it is still necessary to have the list of all super categories as a lazy attribute, or whether a cached method is fast enough. I'll need some tests.
+1 on getting rid of this lazy attribute, unless there is a very clearly defined use case where speed is essential.
However, I think it is a good idea to have a lazy attribute
_super_categories
. In that way, we have the speed even if the user does not use @cached_method when (s)he implements the methodsuper_categories()
.
+1
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:18 in reply to: ↑ 15 ; follow-up: ↓ 19 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
I found another detail that may fit here:
Category.is_subcategory
contains the linesassert(isinstance(c, Category)) if isinstance(self, JoinCategory): for cat in self._super_categories: if cat.is_subcategory(c): return True return FalseFirst, I don't see why it should be needed to assert that c is a Category. It seems like a waste of time to me.
As for any reasonable programming language, Python allows to completely disable assertion tests, to encourage the programmer to put more safety guards and write programmatically his preconditions/assertions/..., knowing that in production there won't be any penalty. Alas, this can't be done on the fly like in MuPAD for switching between debugging and full speed computation modes inside a given session (a feature I loved). Still this can be achieved in principle on a new session by passing -O to the Python interpreter. Maybe we should add this option to the Sage script itself.
In that particular case, I guess I once met a bug where something was passed to is_subcategory which was not a category, so I felt safer with the assertion test.
Secondly, the loop does nothing more than to test the cat is in the set of super categories of self. So, it can be safely erased. And it is a lot faster. ... So, my next patch version will remove these lines, provided that doc tests pass.
I don't remember anymore why I did a special case for join categories, so +1.
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:19 in reply to: ↑ 18 ; follow-up: ↓ 20 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
Dear Nicolas,
Replying to nthiery:
In that particular case, I guess I once met a bug where something was passed to is_subcategory which was not a category, so I felt safer with the assertion test.
But I think, in this particular case, nothing nasty can happen.
Ultimately, it is tested whether the argument c belongs to the list of all super categories of self
. Hence, unexpected things can only happen if c is not a category but is equal to a category, or if self.super_categories()
contains something that is not a category.
So, my next patch version will remove these lines, provided that doc tests pass.
I don't remember anymore why I did a special case for join categories, so +1.
I have just attached a new version of my patch. I used several techniques to speed up is_subcategory
.
In particular, I rely on the hypothesis that if a category C1 has a base (ring) and is super-category of C2, then C2 must have the same base (ring). Hence, if the base rings differ or C2 has no base ring then we can very quickly conclude that C1 is not a super-categoriy of C2.
This turns out to be very helpful in elliptic curve computations. Namely, it often suffices to study the base rings, so that it is not needed to construct the list of all super categories.
By consequence, I needed to introduce a base()
method for various settings. For example, tensor products preserve the base. And for join categories, I argue: If C = JoinCategory((C1,C2,...))
then C.base()
should be the first answer that one obtains by walking through the list C1.base(), C2.base(),...
.
I think this makes sense in the intended application: By #9138, polynomial rings over F belong to a join category of a base-free category (unique factorization domains) and a category with base F (F-algebras).
The code of is_subcategory is now (with some comments added):
# No cached method, currently def is_subcategory(self, c): if c is self: # short path for a common case return True if isinstance(c, JoinCategory): return all(self.is_subcategory(x) for x in c._super_categories) try: # If the lazy attribute has already been computed, then we do not # need to bother about the categories having bases. # Here, the trick is that we look in self.__dict__, so that we do # not trigger computation of self._set_of_super_categories, if it has # not been done before. return c in self.__dict__['_set_of_super_categories'] except KeyError: pass # In elliptic curves, one often has categories over different base rings. # Thus, as a short-path, we compare the base rings first, before we try # to compute the set of all super-categories. try: cbase = c.base() except (AttributeError, TypeError, NotImplementedError): cbase = None if cbase is not None: try: selfbase = self.base() except (AttributeError, TypeError, NotImplementedError): selfbase = None if selfbase is not cbase: return False # Now, the only remaining thing to do is to look at the super categories. # Looking it up in a (frozen) set is quickest: return c in self._set_of_super_categories
With the new patch, all long doctests pass - needs review!
I am now attending a lecture and will try to provide some timings afterwards.
Apply trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy.patch
comment:20 in reply to: ↑ 19 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
Replying to SimonKing:
Replying to nthiery: By consequence, I needed to introduce a
base()
method for various settings. For example, tensor products preserve the base. And for join categories, I argue: IfC = JoinCategory((C1,C2,...))
thenC.base()
should be the first answer that one obtains by walking through the listC1.base(), C2.base(),...
.
I think that's a bad idea, after all. For example, one would have
sage: C = Category.join([Algebras(GF(5)),Modules(ZZ)]) sage: C.is_subcategory(Modules(ZZ)) False
But I have a suggestion:
base()
provides a speed-up in an important application: Polynomial rings over F. In that situation, one has a join category that clearly should have a base, namely F. So, perhaps one should add an optional parameter base=None
to the construction of a join category.
So, one could have something like
sage: P.<x,y> = QQ[] sage: P.category() Join over Rational Field of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Rational Field sage: P.category().base() Rational Field
and at the same time
sage: C = Category.join([Algebras(GF(5)),Modules(ZZ)]) sage: print C.base() None
What do you think?
comment:21 follow-up: ↓ 22 Changed 9 years ago by
Where can I find the specific elliptic curve code you mention?
comment:22 in reply to: ↑ 21 ; follow-up: ↓ 23 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to mderickx:
Where can I find the specific elliptic curve code you mention?
I was referring to the things that were discussed on #11900. That ticket is about a serious speed regression in elliptic curves caused by #9138. And analysing it, using prun and so on, it turned out that really a lot of time has been spent on computing the list of all super categories. The problem is that caching the list of super categories does not really help, since one has many different categories (of algebras, for example) over different base fields.
But now that you mention it: It could be that the remark in the code above
# In elliptic curves, one often has categories over different base rings. # Thus, as a short-path, we compare the base rings first, before we try # to compute the set of all super-categories.
is misleading.
The code is supposed to recognise very quickly that a category with base is not contained in a category with a different base. I am afraid I can not show you the original example that made me suggest this bit of code. However, here are some examples showing that it helps.
With the base test (each example being in a new session):
sage: L = [GF(p)['x','y'] for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: C = CommutativeRings() # here the test is not used - this is to show that there is almost no regression sage: %time [X in C for X in L] CPU times: user 0.29 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.29 s Wall time: 0.29 s
sage: L = [GF(p)['x','y'] for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: D = Modules(ZZ) sage: %time [X in D for X in L] CPU times: user 0.06 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.06 s Wall time: 0.06 s
With the base test commented out:
sage: L = [GF(p)['x','y'] for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: C = CommutativeRings() sage: %time [X in C for X in L] CPU times: user 0.26 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.26 s Wall time: 0.27 s
sage: L = [GF(p)['x','y'] for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: D = Modules(ZZ) sage: %time [X in D for X in L] CPU times: user 0.28 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.28 s Wall time: 0.28 s
So, if base rings are involved then the test is much faster, and if no base rings are involved, the test is not much slower.
comment:23 in reply to: ↑ 22 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
I am afraid I can not show you the original example that made me suggest this bit of code.
Now I remember the story.
By #9138, we have that the category of a polynomial ring is the join of a category of algebras with a base-free algebra, for example:
sage: P.<x,y> = ZZ[] sage: P.category() Join of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Integer Ring
Originally, that category has been computed via
sage: Category.join([UniqueFactorizationDomains(), CommutativeAlgebras(ZZ)]) Join of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Integer Ring
But that turned out to be a problem for elliptic curve computations:
- In the benchmarks discussed on #11900, polynomial rings over many different finite fields are constructed.
- For each of them,
Category.join(...)
was called. - Internally,
Category.join(...)
tests whether the categories to be joined are sub-categories of each other. - Hence, for each prime p, one had to compute
CommutativeAlgebras(GF(p)).all_super_categories()
, in order to test whether it is a sub-category ofUniqueFactorizationDomains()
.
In fact, that was the main reason for the speed regression from #9138.
For fixing it, I had (at least) the following two ideas:
- Do not call
Category.join(...)
, but constructJoinCategory(...)
directly. Advantage:JoinCategory.__init__
does not test for sub-categories. So, no time is wasted. - When testing
UniqueFactorizationDomains().is_subcategory(CommutativeAlgebras(F))
, one does not need to waste time by computingCommutativeAlgebras(F).all_super_categories()
. The fact thatUniqueFactorizationDomains()
has no base ring suffices to recognise that it is not a sub-category.
In #11900, I went for the first approach. Here, I'd like to also add the second approach. It is not needed for fixing an existing regression, but I still think it is a good idea.
Here is an example for what I have explained:
We start with a list of categories of algebras over different finite fields. The aim is to compute the join with the category of unique factorization domains.
sage: L = [CommutativeAlgebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: C = UniqueFactorizationDomains()
With sage-4.6.2 (as an old reference):
sage: %time X = [Category.join([C,A]) for A in L] CPU times: user 0.65 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.65 s Wall time: 0.65 s
With sage-4.7.2.alpha3 (hence, with #9138, but without #11900):
sage: L = [CommutativeAlgebras(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(5000)] sage: C = UniqueFactorizationDomains() sage: %time X = [Category.join([C,A]) for A in L] CPU times: user 0.76 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.77 s Wall time: 0.77 s
With unpatched sage-4.7.3.alpha1 (which contains #11900):
sage: %time X = [Category.join([C,A]) for A in L] CPU times: user 0.59 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 0.60 s Wall time: 0.61 s
With sage-4.7.3.alpha1 plus the patch from here (thus, using base rings):
sage: %time X = [Category.join([C,A]) for A in L] CPU times: user 0.39 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 0.39 s Wall time: 0.39 s
Believe it or not, but that kind of differences had a noticeable effect, as I found out while working on #11900.
Conclusion
I still believe that one should exploit the base of a category for short-cuts in subcategory tests.
comment:24 Changed 9 years ago by
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I have updated my patch. As I have announced, I add the possibility to define a join category with a base. It is used for polynomial rings, who clearly should belong to a category with a base, but also to a join category.
comment:25 follow-up: ↓ 27 Changed 9 years ago by
I think base has nothing to do with join logically so I think it is a bad idea to only add it to joins of categories for this shortcut purpose. Also I don't like your 'base' concept since it is just a speedup thing right now and doesn't relate to something wich has a real mathematical meaning. The second thing is that I don't like the way how the code is organized right now in is_subclass. The reason for this is that this way of making shortcuts scales very bad and that other people thinking of other specific shortcuts to speed stuff up might make this a very cluttered method very soon. I'd say its cluttered already since this generic method already has special code for categories witch are a join of something and special code for the case that self and other have a base method. I think it is better to provide a truly generic implementation in combination with something like a subclasshook as python has for Abstract Base Classes http://docs.python.org/library/abc.html#abc.ABCMeta.__subclasshook . In this way you we can have the JoinCategory? specific code where it belongs and you can have your "base" optimisation in the place where it belongs, and other people can add their own shortcuts as they please.
comment:26 Changed 9 years ago by
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something went wrong with the previous link cause of the wiki formatting it should be this link
comment:27 in reply to: ↑ 25 ; follow-up: ↓ 29 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to mderickx:
I think base has nothing to do with join logically
I think it does, to some extent. If C is a category with a base B, then all its objects are supposed to have this base B as well. If you form a join J of C with another category, then all objects of J are also objects of C and thus have the base B.
It only starts to lack logic if you join categories with distinct bases.
But if you join a list of categories such that at least one of them has base B and all other categories on the list either have no base at all or have the base B as well, then I think it is alright to say that the join has base B.
The second thing is that I don't like the way how the code is organized right now in is_subclass. ... I think it is better to provide a truly generic implementation in combination with something like a
__subclasshook__
One could argue that super_categories()
alreay plays the role of __subclasshook__
: It determines how different categories are contained in one another, and is used in a generic method Category.is_subcategory
.
But I agree that it is conceivable that JoinCategory
or Category_over_base
could benefit from using a specialised method for detecting subcategories.
comment:28 follow-up: ↓ 30 Changed 9 years ago by
No, super_categories() plays the exact opposite role of __subclashook__ . The subclass hook allows you to define what you consider as subclass of self and not what you consider a super class. What you claim is sort of saying that class inheritance plays the same role as subclasshook!
comment:29 in reply to: ↑ 27 Changed 9 years ago by
Maybe my real problem is with the way how you implement the base logic. I think that asuming that if two categories have a different base then they cannot be sub categories of each other is way to strict, this is not an interface wich I like to program to. And that by your current implementation you add way to much specific code to the general parts of the category framework that will not nicely generalize to more situations and don't fit nicely with the mathematical concept of base.
comment:30 in reply to: ↑ 28 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to mderickx:
No, super_categories() plays the exact opposite role of __subclashook__ . The subclass hook allows you to define what you consider as subclass of self and not what you consider a super class.
Yes, you are right! Even though a while ago I did some experiments with the ABC module, I forgot that one is registering sub-classes, not super-classes. Sorry.
Let me see. When we do A.is_subcategory(B)
then with or without my patch we make a special case when B is a join category. With my patch, we also make a special case when B has a base - and actually what we really want is a special case for Category_over_base
(recall the original use case, where A is the category of unique factorization domains and B is a category of algebras).
So, it seems like a good idea that both JoinCategory
and Category_over_base
and perhaps also TensorProductsCategory
get a method subcategory_hook
, and that Category.is_subcategory
then looks as follows:
def is_subcategory(self, C): try: return C.subcategory_hook(self) except AttributeError: return C in self._set_of_super_categories
Of course, one should add a comment about the new "magical" method into the docs.
Is that what you suggested?
comment:31 Changed 9 years ago by
That is indeed my suggestion. But my specific implementation would be:
def is_subcategory(self, C): hook_result = C.subcategory_hook(self) if hook_result is not NotImplemented: return hook_result return C in self._set_of_super_categories
So that it is more similar to the __subclasshook__ that python provides and your shortcut can just return NotImplemented? to signify that the shortcut didn't work (just like you can do with the subclasshook). And make a default implementation in Category that just returns NotImplemented?. The new magical method should indeed be documented.
comment:32 Changed 9 years ago by
and maybe it should be _subcategory_hook_ since I consider it more of a developer thing then an enduser.
comment:33 Changed 9 years ago by
Now I wonder how we should proceed. Namely, I introduced the special case for categories with base not here, but in #11900.
I would argue as follows: #11900 is explicitly about speed. It provides speed. Hence, let it stay as it is.
The ticket here is more about structure. Hence, part of it should be to fix here my messy code from #11900.
comment:34 Changed 9 years ago by
I am now rewriting it, and first tests seem to indicate that a cleaner implementation of is_subcategory is faster than the current mess. So, thank you for your suggestion, Maarten!
comment:35 Changed 9 years ago by
No problem :). I think you deserve way more credit, considering the huge amount of work you have done to make the category framework better lately.
comment:36 Changed 9 years ago by
- Work issues set to use a "_subcategory_hook_" and document it
I will add documentation to sage.categories.primer
. The section in the primer on "how to implement a new category" is rather short anyway. It even does not explain that one should provide a method super_categories
(it only tells that the order of super-categories should follow certain rules), and it does not mention ParentMethods
and ElementMethods
at all. I'll add that, plus some words on the new _subcategory_hook_
.
comment:37 Changed 9 years ago by
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I have added Maarten's idea of a _subcategory_hook_ and documented it. The subcategory hook is used for Category_over_base
(hence, it is not needed to check for the existence of a base() attribute).
Moreover, in order to keep the generic implementation of is_subcategory
clean, I provided JoinCategory
with a specialised is_subcategory
.
The documentation looks fine to me, and all tests pass. Needs review!
comment:38 Changed 9 years ago by
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I forgot to inform the patch bot:
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comment:39 Changed 9 years ago by
I updated the patch. Only change: I added some doc tests that I had previously forgotten to include.
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comment:40 Changed 9 years ago by
I updated the patch again. Reason: The previous one was relative to sage-4.7.3.alpha1, which includes #11068. But sage-4.8.alpha0 does not include #11068. I modified one hunk of the patch such that the order in which this patch and the patches from #11068 are applied will hopefully not matter.
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comment:41 Changed 9 years ago by
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I noticed that once again I was commenting out old code, rather than properly removing it. Sorry. I will remove the commented-out code from is_subcategory
and update my patch soon.
comment:42 Changed 9 years ago by
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Dead code is removed, ticket description updated.
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comment:43 Changed 9 years ago by
I found that there is a trivial conflict with #11068. Therefore, I updated the patches from here and from there, so that it wouldn't matter in which order both tickets are merged.
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comment:44 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to Remove the base method for cartesian_product (now unneeded) or reduce it to base_ring.
comment:45 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
- Work issues Remove the base method for cartesian_product (now unneeded) or reduce it to base_ring. deleted
I have replaced the base()
method of Cartesian products by a base_ring()
method. I think it holds true that if some category has a base ring then all cartesian products of its objects have the same base ring. This may be not so sure when doing the same with a general bases.
I did not run full doctests yet, but the original example that made me introduce the base()
method in #11900 is still working:
sage: P.<x,y,z> = QQ[] sage: P in Algebras(QQ) True sage: P.category() Join of Category of unique factorization domains and Category of commutative algebras over Rational Field
Benchmark, for avoiding to return to the old regression:
sage: %time L = EllipticCurve('960d1').prove_BSD() CPU times: user 3.78 s, sys: 0.08 s, total: 3.86 s Wall time: 4.10 s
#11935 will make this even faster.
comment:46 Changed 9 years ago by
I forgot the patch bot:
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comment:47 follow-up: ↓ 48 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to R doctest
I find one very strange doctest error in sage/interfaces/r.py, and I have so far no clue what goes wrong.
comment:48 in reply to: ↑ 47 Changed 9 years ago by
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- Work issues R doctest deleted
Replying to SimonKing:
I find one very strange doctest error in sage/interfaces/r.py, and I have so far no clue what goes wrong.
And now I cannot reproduce the error. So, even more mysterious. I put it back to "needs review", as repeting the failing test did not reproduce the error.
comment:49 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to Rebase wrt the new version of #11900; Use ideas from there to improve is_subcategory for Category_singleton
comment:50 Changed 9 years ago by
For the record: With the current version of the patch, we have numerous mismatches, namely in
sage/categories/bimodules.py sage/categories/category.py sage/categories/category_types.py sage/categories/euclidean_domains.py sage/categories/fields.py sage/categories/homset.py sage/categories/modules.py sage/categories/ring_ideals.py sage/categories/semirings.py sage/categories/vector_spaces.py
comment:51 Changed 9 years ago by
- Work issues changed from Rebase wrt the new version of #11900; Use ideas from there to improve is_subcategory for Category_singleton to Use ideas from #11900 to improve is_subcategory
I have updated the patch, so that (1) it applies, and (2) Sage starts. But I'd certainly like to improve the _subcategory_hook_ by using subclass check of parent classes. This would work generally, not only for Category_singleton. In #11935, it would then be needed to refine the _subcategory_hook_ for subclasses of CategoryWithParameter
, because of sharing parent classes.
comment:52 Changed 9 years ago by
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- Work issues Use ideas from #11900 to improve is_subcategory deleted
The patch is updated, and with it all tests should pass.
The patch uses the _subcategory_hook_
mechanism, which will make it easier in #11935 to cope with the case of shared parent classes. However, for now, the default _subcategory_hook_
, which tests whether one parent class is subclass of the other, is actually sufficient to determine subcategories, with the only exception of join categories.
Needs review, I'd say!
comment:53 Changed 9 years ago by
The patchbot got it wrong:
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comment:54 Changed 9 years ago by
- Work issues set to Is the base() method removed?
Mental note: The base()
method for CartesianProductCategory
that has been introduced in #11900 should be removed here, if possible. Could be that it is already done in the patch (no time to check it now, though).
comment:55 follow-ups: ↓ 56 ↓ 57 Changed 9 years ago by
comment:56 in reply to: ↑ 55 Changed 9 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues changed from Is the base() method removed? to Rebase. Is the base() method removed?
Replying to jdemeyer:
How close is this ticket to being finished? Since #9138, #11900 and #11943 are related, I am thinking about merging them all together. Do you think this is a good idea?
If this ticket is close to being finished, then merging the three together would be a good idea. I am not sure how much work needs to be done, in particular since Nicolas seems to have problems building sage-4.8.alpha3.
Anyway, it does need work since a couple of hunks do not apply when starting with sage-4.8.alpha3 and applying the latest patch version from #11900 (namely the one that does not use Category_singleton for Finite*, which Nicolas seems to prefer).
comment:57 in reply to: ↑ 55 Changed 9 years ago by
Replying to jdemeyer:
How close is this ticket to being finished? Since #9138, #11900 and #11943 are related, I am thinking about merging them all together. Do you think this is a good idea?
Yes, I think it is a good idea. But perhaps one should also ask the opposite: Do you think it is a good idea to not merge #9138 and #11900, if #11943 is not ready? Here, my answer would be "no".
Personally, I want to have #9138 and thus #11900. I could live without #11943, even though it cleans up some stuff.
comment:58 Changed 9 years ago by
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- Work issues Rebase. Is the base() method removed? deleted
I have updated the patch.
Concerning the base()
method for Cartesian products: If I remember correctly, Nicolas and I agreed that it is ok to have a base_ring()
method for Cartesian products (meaning: If a category is defined over a base ring then the category of Cartesian products of objects in that category is defined over the same base ring). Thus, the patch renames the method.
The patch should work on top of the positively reviewed patch from #11900.
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comment:59 Changed 9 years ago by
PS: ./sage -tp 5 devel/sage/sage
and ./sage -tp 5 devel/sage/doc
pass for me.
comment:60 Changed 9 years ago by
I'm awfully sorry: I just noticed that I forgot to include the name change "base() -> base_ring()
in my patch. It has now been updated.
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comment:61 Changed 9 years ago by
I'm now starting to review it. At least it passes al tests when applied to sage 4.8.alpha4 + dependencies. I'm reading through your code now.
comment:62 follow-up: ↓ 63 Changed 8 years ago by
Hi Simon,
I am including your patch in the queue to handle conflicts with various other patches in finalization (and reviewing it by the way). The systematic removal of
Do you insist on systematically removing "cached_method" to all super_categories methods? I am not so sure about it. And practically speaking it does create quite a few conflicts; I am fine resolving them, but only if it's for the good cause. What do you think?
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:63 in reply to: ↑ 62 Changed 8 years ago by
Do you insist on systematically removing "cached_method" to all super_categories methods?
Not necessarily.
The main reason for having super_categories cached was speed: One wouldn't like to create the list of super categories repeatedly. However, with my patch, it is cached in a different way, namely as an attribute, and that's even faster than a cached method.
In fact, i is kind of courtesy: Before, if the user forgot to use @cached_method then it became slower. Now, it doesn't matter whether or not the user knows of @cached_method.
From that point of view, it doesn't matter whether the cached_method decorator is systematically removed or not. With perhaps one exception: Calling a cached method hundred times takes shorter than calling a non-cached method hundred times. But calling the cached method just once takes longer than calling a non-cached method just once.
Hence, I could imagine that in the following setting, using my patch without cached_method would be noticeable faster than using my patch with cached_method (but I hope that using cached_method with my patch will still be slower than using cached_method without my patch...):
- Create many different categories
- For each pair C1,C2, determine whether one is subcategory of the other
I intend to try and provide an example. But I am having trouble with my mercurial queue.
comment:64 Changed 8 years ago by
To my great surprise, using cached method seems to be faster, even with my patch:
sage: class MyCat1(Category): ....: def __init__(self, R): ....: self.R = R ....: Category.__init__(self) ....: def super_categories(self): ....: return [Algebras(self.R)] ....: sage: class MyCat2(Category): ....: def __init__(self, R): ....: self.R = R ....: @cached_method ....: def super_categories(self): ....: return [Algebras(self.R)] ....: sage: L1 = [MyCat1(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] sage: L2 = [MyCat2(GF(p)) for p in prime_range(10000)] sage: def test_cats(L): ....: for A in L: ....: for B in L: ....: A.is_subcategory(B) ....: sage: %time test_cats(L1) CPU times: user 3.53 s, sys: 0.04 s, total: 3.56 s Wall time: 3.58 s sage: %time test_cats(L2) CPU times: user 2.35 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 2.36 s Wall time: 2.36 s
Of course, as soon as the super categories are obtained and put in the cache, there is no difference anymore:
sage: %time test_cats(L1) CPU times: user 2.17 s, sys: 0.00 s, total: 2.17 s Wall time: 2.18 s sage: %time test_cats(L2) CPU times: user 2.15 s, sys: 0.01 s, total: 2.16 s Wall time: 2.16 s
So, after all: Yes, I do not insist on removing all cached_method decorators on the super_categories methods, but I still think removing them would be better aesthetically.
comment:65 Changed 8 years ago by
- Dependencies changed from #11900 to #11900, #12357
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to Rebase rel #12357
But there is something else: #12357 has a positive review, but it brings a conflict. So, I need to rebase my patch.
comment:66 Changed 8 years ago by
- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
- Work issues Rebase rel #12357 deleted
Or perhaps better I shouldn't: #12357 is pending. So, let's do it the other way around...
comment:67 follow-up: ↓ 68 Changed 8 years ago by
- Dependencies changed from #11900, #12357 to #11900
Oops, the "dependencies" field should only contain #11900...
comment:68 in reply to: ↑ 67 ; follow-ups: ↓ 69 ↓ 71 Changed 8 years ago by
- Dependencies changed from #11900 to #11900, #7980
Replying to SimonKing:
Oops, the "dependencies" field should only contain #11900...
For the record: I have already slightly rebased your patch on top of #7980 (multiple realizations) which conflicted and is almost positive review.
Thanks for your comments. I'll see if I keep the cached_methods in there or not depending on how the conflict resolution goes.
Ah one thing: for all the attributes like _all_super_categories, shouldn't we use tuples rather than lists for safety?
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:69 in reply to: ↑ 68 ; follow-up: ↓ 70 Changed 8 years ago by
Replying to nthiery:
Ah one thing: for all the attributes like _all_super_categories, shouldn't we use tuples rather than lists for safety?
Well, they used to be lists (and were cached).
If I remember correctly, I tried at some point whether a tuple would be better, but it was too slow. I think the reason was that during the creation of the list of all super categories, one would naturally operate with lists, and the transformation of the final list into a tuple was too time consuming in some elliptic curve computations.
If you like, I could try again, but probably only in a couple of days.
comment:70 in reply to: ↑ 69 Changed 8 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
If I remember correctly, I tried at some point whether a tuple would be better, but it was too slow. I think the reason was that during the creation of the list of all super categories, one would naturally operate with lists, and the transformation of the final list into a tuple was too time consuming in some elliptic curve computations.
If you like, I could try again, but probably only in a couple of days.
Ok; let's postpone this to a later patch. I'll just mention that the lazy attributes will probably become tuples at some point.
On another note: why not systematically build _set_of_super_categories as frozenset(_all_super_categories_proper) and _all_super_categories_proper as _all_super_categories[1:]? Otherwise it seems likely that C3 could often be called three times for a single given category.
Besides C3_algorithm_set and the proper option would not be needed in that case, and the overall logic be simplified a bit.
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:71 in reply to: ↑ 68 Changed 8 years ago by
comment:72 Changed 8 years ago by
O dear. Last night, I installed sage-5.0.beta7. The patch from here won't apply anymore, because the file age/categories/partially_ordered_sets.py has not been found.
Can you tell me the ticket which has removed that file?
comment:73 Changed 8 years ago by
- Dependencies changed from #11900, #7980 to #11900, #7980, #10998
- Status changed from needs_review to needs_work
- Work issues set to rebase
comment:74 follow-up: ↓ 75 Changed 8 years ago by
- Dependencies changed from #11900, #7980, #10998 to #11900, #7980
- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
OK, I have updated my patch, simply by removing one of the hooks that removes a cached method.
My patch should now apply, regardless whether #10998 is applied or not. So, needs review again.
But please, do post the stuff from #7980, so that I can rebase my patch relative to it.
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comment:75 in reply to: ↑ 74 Changed 8 years ago by
Replying to SimonKing:
OK, I have updated my patch, simply by removing one of the hooks that removes a cached method.
My patch should now apply, regardless whether #10998 is applied or not. So, needs review again.
But please, do post the stuff from #7980, so that I can rebase my patch relative to it.
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Don't waste your time: I told you I am handling it (on the Sage-Combinat queue), as well as #11935. I haven't pushed yet, because there are quite a few conflicts to resolve with the other category patches there. I'll post it here when I am done (probably monday).
comment:76 follow-up: ↓ 77 Changed 8 years ago by
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Ok, I pushed on the Sage-Combinat queue; I haven't finished the merging so the patches are still disabled; I still need to decide on keeping or not a couple cashed methods to best resolve the conflicts.
Please let me know about my question above about building _set_of_super_categories.
comment:77 in reply to: ↑ 76 ; follow-up: ↓ 78 Changed 8 years ago by
Replying to nthiery:
Please let me know about my question above about building _set_of_super_categories.
That will probably take a while. I am still in the process of getting sage-5.0.beta7 to work with all my patches applied (so that I can work on my ext algebra project), have to finish writing some paper, and have some other urgent things to do, that will essentially occupy this weekend.
comment:78 in reply to: ↑ 77 Changed 8 years ago by
That will probably take a while. I am still in the process of getting sage-5.0.beta7 to work with all my patches applied (so that I can work on my ext algebra project), have to finish writing some paper, and have some other urgent things to do, that will essentially occupy this weekend.
I just meant: do you agree if I do this change in my reviewer patch?
comment:79 Changed 8 years ago by
For the record: the Sage-Combinat queue has been rebased on top of this patch. To this end, I stripped away from this patch the "cached_method" changes concerning categories that won't have a super_categories method after #10963 anyway. I am writing a small review patch with some improvements (including the "_set_of_super_categories" thingie discussed above). At this point, all tests pass on 5.0.beta10.
I hope to finish the review shortly.
Cheers,
Nicolas
comment:80 Changed 8 years ago by
Hi Simon,
I have finished my review. I'll push shortly my reviewer's patch on the Sage-Combinat queue
Overall, I am happy with it, and it's almost good to go if you are happy with my changes. Thanks for your hard work!
Just two little details:
- in covariant_functorial_construction.py, the method is_subcategory is not documented, and I am not sure why it is required. Please remove, or add documentation and tests with a comment on the rationale for this method
- in the C3 algorithm: Cython knows that
tails
is a list, so one would assume that tails[i] is optimized. Is it really faster to use PyList_GET_ITEM(tails,i) rather than just tails[i]? Otherwise, please use the later which is more readable. Same thing for the other PyList_*.
Once those are done, and it is confirmed that all tests pass (I am running them), you can set a positive review on my behalf (I'll be away for the week-end).
Happy easter!
Nicolas
comment:81 Changed 8 years ago by
Hold on a minute; I need to rebase a bit of stuff before pushing, and before that pickup the girls at school ...
comment:82 Changed 8 years ago by
Pushed. I am running the tests now. Note: I also had to make some modifications to the original patch; so please start from http://combinat.sagemath.org/patches/file/tip/trac11943_mro_for_all_super_categories_lazy_hook.patch.
As far as I remember, all I did to this patch was, as discussed, to remove the hunks that were removing "cached_method"'s on those super_categories methods that are going to disapear with #10963 anyway. That to make the rebase of #10963 easier.
I'll upload both patches here once the tests are positive.
Changed 8 years ago by
Order the super categories of a category according to Python's mro. Internally replace (all_)super_categories by lazy attributes, to prevent a regression. Use _subcategory_hook_
comment:83 Changed 8 years ago by
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- Status changed from needs_work to needs_review
- Work issues rebase deleted
With the new test, I found a bug in algebra_ideals:
Thus, apparently, that category has never been used.
The problem is that the super categories of the category of algebra ideals should be the category of algebra modules. However, while the former accepts non-commutative algebras, the latter wants to see commutative algebras.
The clean way to proceed would be: Make algebra modules work over non-commutative rings. If that is too much of work, C.super_categories() should be
[]
if C is the category of algebra ideals over a non-commutative rings.